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  1. rcraig

    rcraig F1 Rookie

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    Jim, if you happen to change your mind about selling a couple of the P-4's let me know. LOL

     
  2. Ferrari 360 CS

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    True, but one never really knows, history is filled with laws that were implemented with the best of intentions only to found to be totally unworkable.

    At the end of the day the lesson is to live for today, cherish what it has to offer, dwell not on whats bad but whats good, look forward to tomorrow but live for today. In the last 10 years Ferrari hasnt made a bad car so I tend to think the next hypercar will showcase new technology but that Ferrari feeling wont be lost.
     
  3. MalibuGuy

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    Weight and complexity are the negatives for this new breed of supercars.

    Larger and increased number of batteries on board, adding electric motors/generators/KERS can saddle the cars with additional weight.

    Integrating all these systems to coordinate and not conflict with each other is another big challenge.

    Fortunately, there has been progress in the area of battery technology and computer technology which can address these concerns.
     
  4. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    If there was a buck in it that could go to the race team he'd be fine with it.
    ;)
     
  5. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

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    My F40, 512TR, 512M are all looking a lot better now

    Thanks Luca
     
  6. TOOLFAN

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    I absolutely agree. In addition, if you take the average yearly mileage an "average" Ferrari does into account, I guarantee that the "average" Ferrari produces less emissions over the course of a year than a Prius over the same year.
     
  7. Napolis

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    True but in today's world Supercars aren't getting a pass from the politicians who make the laws. This is especially true in Europe where they're want to regulate CO emissions.
     
  8. TOOLFAN

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    Agreed. I just wish there was some degree of logic going into these decisions. If these people really cared about CO emissions they would all drive older cars that get better gas mileage than cars like the Prius. Buying a new Prius is much worse for the environment than buying an old car :).
     
  9. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Got to get a Z06 in Argentina where the world makes more sense than USA or EU
     
  10. mcimino

    mcimino Formula 3

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    Say what?

    Cash economy fuels Argentine crime wave
    by Almudena Calatrava
    Associated Press Writers
    Article Last Updated; Tuesday, September 07, 2010 12:00AMBUENOS AIRES, Argentina - The "marker" lurks inside the bank, looking for people pulling large amounts of cash from a safe deposit box or bank account. The gunmen linger outside, usually on motorcyles, waiting to make their move.
    For people like Carolina Piparo, eight months pregnant and carrying a purse full of cash for a down payment on her first home, gangs like these are an unavoidable risk in today's Argentina, where the underground cash economy is fueling a frightening new crime wave.

    The July 29 attack that left Piparo comatose and killed her child added to a toll of thousands of crime victims - 4,998 reported "withdrawal robberies" in the first half of this year alone, said Louis Vicat, a security consultant who keeps track privately because the government hasn't published detailed crime statistics since 2007.

    Many victims don't even report being robbed because they wouldn't be able to explain to tax agents where they got the money, says Vicat, who retired as deputy internal affairs chief of the Buenos Aires provincial police.

    And yet cash on the table is simply the only way to do business - even when buying homes or entire companies - for many people in Argentina.

    Transferring such money electronically would solve the problem in an instant. But in a society where income tax evasion runs about 50 percent and taxes eat up 65 percent of the money people do declare, many people are reluctant to use banks that way. Even people who want to pay all their taxes have a hard time complying because there's always someone demanding to hide all or part of the transaction by paying in cash - preferably U.S. dollars.

    The attack on Piparo in provincial La Plata prompted anti-crime marches and no end of fingerpointing by police and politicians. And yet a fractured Congress failed to agree to even debate a package of weak bank security proposals last week. Despite some arrests, "withdrawal robberies" continue unabated.

    Piparo had saved for years with her husband to buy a home to raise their baby in. When it came time to withdraw the down payment, the teller told them the bank branch didn't have enough dollars; they would have to come back the next day.

    Piparo did, with her mother, carefully putting $13,250 in her purse.

    The bank's cameras recorded a burly man watching from behind them in line - a "marker" who later confessed to signaling others outside. Two men on a motorcycle stopped their car, threw Piparo to the ground and shot her in the face and chest as she begged them to just take the money. Her baby boy, Isidro, was born as she lay comatose but didn't survive.

    Piparo is now slowly recovering, and seven people have been arrested, but many Argentines remain furious that they are exposed to such risks.

    Politicians, economists, security experts and others interviewed by The Associated Press say one of the root causes of the robberies is Argentina's undeclared economy, along with the widespread reluctance of people to use a bureaucratic and costly banking system.

    Add inflation of 25 percent or more this year, and people have many reasons to avoid transferring money from one account to another.
     
  11. mcimino

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    #61 mcimino, Sep 10, 2010
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    I love my old stuff because I can wrench it without a computer.
    (and I just had to bust chops on Will H - btw my ceo made 26M and deserved evey penny)
    The rich man stands in front of me. The poor man behind my back. They believe they can control the game. But the juggler holds another pack. I need someone to believe in, someone to trust. I'd rather trust a countryman than a townman. You can judge by his eyes, take a look if you can. He'll smile through his guard. Survival trains hard. I'd rather trust a man who works with his hands. He looks at you once, you know he understands - Peter Gabriel)
     
  12. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

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    That cash economy will come to USA if Obismal passes his law to charge 1% on every bank transaction

    What I meant about BA is not so much the economy since its a mess there, always has been

    Its more in social aspects. The roles of men & women are very clear unlike USA where they have become very confused. Also people there still appreciate exotics and expensive cars and they dont look down on you for liking fast cars.

    Most people there dont care too much about global warming, sexual harassment, avoiding offending anyone, and lots of PC nonsense probably bcus they have lots more serious problems to deal with than we have in USA.
     
  13. MalibuGuy

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    SLS AMG E-Cell-
    Li-ion battery weights...350kg and the cooling management system another 120kG!
    So just the green power system is 450KG!

    The additional drive motors and the gearbox are 400kg

    The E-Cell has no petrol engine. So you can imagine the weight challenges for a hybrid
     
  14. technom3

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    I am not a politician by any means... and just mearly did a search because I would be pissed if banks started charging that tax on top of everything else we already pay...

    here is what I cam up with

    http://factcheck.org/2010/09/1-transaction-tax/


    don't know how credible the source is or anything of that nature... but hopefully it is just a bunch of crap like the above website suggests
     
  15. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

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    I sure hope its a pile of crap & the banks better too bcus millions of people will pull all their cash out and work strictly cash if DC does anything this retarded, which I dont doubt for a moment they are retarded enough to do

    I recently heard from someone who claims to be well connected that USA may recieve a VAT tax after Nov 2 election
     
  16. zaevor2000

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    "Some will say aw it’s just 1%… remember once the tax is there they can raise it at will."

    This is the part that concerns me if it is implemented...

    Frank
     
  17. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Another issue is if more people are walking around w cash muggings will probably increase :(
     
  18. VIZSLA

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    And this has what to do with a Green Enzo?
    ;)
     
  19. bgck13

    bgck13 Formula Junior

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    This.
     
  20. WILLIAM H

    WILLIAM H Three Time F1 World Champ

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    Goes rambling around but it seems that the new Gen in USA doesnt appreciate Exotics

    I can see car shows 30 years from now w shiney polished Prius' all lined up, Yuck !!!
     
  21. MalibuGuy

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    But it makes me wonder what a car like the 918 would be like with just the petrol engine and non of the electric stuff.
     
  22. VIZSLA

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    I take solace in knowing that people have been fearing for centuries that their's is the last generation with any sense. And yet we survive and thrive. :)
     
  23. YellowF50

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    Just had a vision of Jim going round everyones garage in the not to distant future, coming to steal your gasoline, all Mad Max style.

    You have been warned. Although if he was to turn up in the p4/5 how could you turn him down.
     
  24. AndyS

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    I totally agree. Thank God we still have Pagani!
     
  25. Napolis

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    #75 Napolis, Sep 17, 2010
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    Hey that's why I just bought this Puppy.
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