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  1. Sandy Eggo

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    The list of things piling up to do on my F355 has been growing -- some is just "due" and other stuff is self-inflicted or optional. All of it should make for a F355 that is better than when it rolled out of the factory.

    The best part is that I've talked my mechanic into letting me participate in the job. I'll be taking a week (minimum) of vacation and assisting with the work under expert guidance and with all the right tools.

    I plan to share as much of the experience as possible through write-ups and photos. Right now, everything is tentatively scheduled for the first week in October.

    I'm really excited about my unusual vacation plans...now, what do I tell my wife? :D

    Here's the list of jobs to perform (4-6 will get done by pros while I focus on mechanicals):

    1 - 30k major engine out service
    2 - upgrading to Dave Helms' coolant hoses and clamps
    3 - upgrading to Dave Helms' gold connector kit for 2.7 Motronic
    4 - redoing the dash, gauge pod and door pulls either in original black leather or possibly Alcantara (a la Bradan's bespoke interior project)
    5 - repaint the targa panel
    6 - mount 2 new rear tires
    7 - inspecting the Capristo exhaust for stuck bypass valves or vacuum leak

    So, watch this space for updates, pics, tips, questions, etc.
     
  2. AceMaster

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    That is awesome Rick. When I have my major done, I plan on doing the same - standing right there watching and learning and hopefully helping out and wrenching some myself.
     
  3. roadracer311

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    Rick,

    I thought your car had another year yet before it was due for a major. (remembering from when I was inquiring with the previous owner). Still wish I would have moved faster on that one!

    Sounds like a great October you have lined up. Really looking forward to seeing your projects, including what's included in the kits (hose and connector).
     
  4. Sandy Eggo

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    Yeah, I picked it up in Dec 09 and it was due in a year at that time (good memory) - or right about now. I'm very grateful you didn't move too fast on this one! :D
     
  5. X11OUD

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    I look forward to seeing this thread evolve :) great to see you getting stuck in on the work.

    Alcantara looks amazing on the dash, I love the stuff and have retrimmed many cars in it including my BM, but be warned, it will fade!! especially on the dash :(
     
  6. J-tec

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    Ah this sounds awesome, nothing better than working on your own car. Kudos for asking your mechanic, it's a perfect way to learn. Can't wait to see the progress!
     
  7. James-NZ

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    Nice stuff!! Always good to have a plan.

    When I had my major done earlier this year I went in 2 weekends in a row and cleaned and tinkered, painted bits and just generally tidied up stuff. It was a very cool few days and I will remember it forever, I highly recommend doing it if you are able.
     
  8. Sandy Eggo

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    #8 Sandy Eggo, Sep 27, 2010
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    Some of the goodies have arrived in anticipation of next week.

    - 2 new rear PS2s - I will have to do a few burnouts before I put the new shoes on. :D

    - Care package from Scuderia Rampante Innovations containing:
    -- Gold connector kit with O2 sensor option
    -- Coolant hoses and clamps

    Sorry I did not open everything for some better pics but there are so many little pieces that I didn't want to run the risk of losing something. Promise more interesting pics to come...just getting warmed up.
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  9. roadracer311

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    Nice! Which load rating did you end up with for the PS2's?
     
  10. Sandy Eggo

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    101Y XL - which happened to match what was already on the car.
     
  11. Sandy Eggo

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    #11 Sandy Eggo, Sep 28, 2010
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    Ok, I got a head-start and began ripping and replacing some of the coolant hoses that had been leaking since I replaced the power steering resevoir a few weeks ago. I want to be able to drive to the SoCal get together this Saturday, ya know!!

    I've attached a couple pics.

    One is of the 4 hoses (both old and new sets) that connect to the coolant overflow tank. You'll also note the famed Stooge aluminum viking hat. :D

    The other pic is of one of the hoses which gets threaded through the braided hoses (fuel lines right?). Note the sleeve on the SRI hose...I presume I placed it correctly as my assumption it was to protect against rubbing/fraying. Please let me know if you see anything incorrect.

    I got it all back together but didn't have time to re-add fluids (coolant, PS fluid) and test it out tonight. I'll get to it tomorrow morning and let you all know. Just slightly concerned that I wasn't able to tighten one of the lower hoses as well as I'd like but I think it'll be fine.

    I must say, the SRI hoses and hardware were like a dream to work with compared to the stock stuff.
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    Keep posting. Im drooling!!!! Thanks.
     
  13. davehelms

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    You did it right Rick.

    Until you get the fuel block recall done, wire tie the forward most fuel hose in a manner where it is impossible for it to chafe against the bleeder hose clamp. Installing the screw of that clamp in a vertical position or even on the underside of the hose would assure this would never make contact with the hose. It is this and the top large coolant hose clamps contacting the forward most fuel hose that have caused problems.

    I question if the sleeving is really required on the bleeder hose but.... my intent was never to find ways to cheapen this out, we already had that, but to cover every potential problem area I could predict. Until I know every car has had the recall and those hoses are above the bleeder line I am going to stick with the original plan and keep the sleeve. Its a small price for a piece of mind we didn't have before.

    Make sure the clamping surfaces are free of debris and are smooth and Crank those clamps down good and snug. One of the problems we encountered when designing this hose is the balancing act between too "dense" and too "spongy", no we didn't get it right on the first try, or the 5th try or.... When I choose to have every hose autoclaved and post cured to ensure virtually no weak points the material got reassuringly dense and requires a firm clamping force due to the clamp band width the engineers choose... who woulda thunk there would be so many variables involved but I feel it was a very good direction the 'brains' of this project suggested I go with that. When we finally got it right Niki and I just looked at each other and said yes, THIS is it.
     
  14. Sandy Eggo

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    #14 Sandy Eggo, Sep 29, 2010
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    Thanks Dave.

    I should probably just add "Fuel Block recall" to my list right now. I did get that screw/clamp in a vertical (almost underside) position on the hose with the sleeve for the very reason you stated. The top large hose clamp is distressingly close to the lines as you mention. That is the screw I'm concerned I could not get tight enough. It was tough to get the screw/clamp in there far enough to be effective without damaging the lines that it snugs up against.

    With respect to the tightening of the clamps, I may go back in and give them another turn or five. My natural inclination is to tighten the heck out of things (and this has ended badly for me several times) but in this instance I actually backed them off a bit because I was concerned I had gone too far.

    How do you know when tight is tight enough with this kit?

    PS I'm glad the hoses were just a fraction longer than the original ones. This made it easier to get hoses *all the way on* and I think the extra force pushing the hose back onto its connection points would help keep them in place in the event a clamp failed. I assume this was all by design.
     
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    Most of my life seems to be a mistake waiting to teach me a lesson. In this case, nothing happened by accident. For years we have kept logs of what length and what ID we wanted each and every hose to be if everything was our call. When it became our call we changed what we wanted each to be. This then takes into account sagged engine mounts, variations of one car to the next.... everything we could think of. After that was done we then gave the hoses to shops and owners outside of ours for their feedback prior to any of this going public. I dont like running changes and using owners as Beta testers, no one likes that. If a given hose is a little too long... there is a reason and either ourselves or others have suggested it to be. Easy to cut a little, pretty tough to add on.

    I can see you positioned the clamps correctly, the comment was to allert others to this problem.

    When we crank the clamps down I use a flex shaft nut driver. I get them as tight as one hand will allow me, until my wrist clicks or the flex shaft winds up. Pretty darn snug.
     
  16. Sandy Eggo

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    #16 Sandy Eggo, Sep 29, 2010
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    I opened her back up to check clamp positions and tightness.

    I was able to crank all of the clamps down pretty tight - except for one - more on that in the next post.

    Here are a couple shots of the clamps so you can get an idea of how far I tightened them.

    I refilled the coolant and PS fluid and fired it up until the radiator fans came on for a couple cycles. No visible leaks or anything (so far! :D). Will have to take for a short test drive to really put it through its paces.

    NOTE: For anyone else replacing these 4 coolant hoses with the engine in-situ, it's actually not required to remove the Power Steering tank. I thought it would be necessary so I pre-emptively syringed out all the fluid. When I dug in it became obvious that all I really needed to do was remove the PS tank clamp to give myself a little working room.
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  17. Sandy Eggo

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    #17 Sandy Eggo, Sep 29, 2010
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    Here's the one clamp that's a real bugger (shiny one right in the middle of pic).

    I couldn't get it any tighter than it already is...I probably don't have the right/best tool (was using a long flat screwdriver on this one).

    You also have to balance the position of this clamp carefully...I think I got it about perfect but only wish I could have tightened it further.
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    #18 Sandy Eggo, Sep 29, 2010
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    I backed the car out of the garage into the driveway - which has a very slight slope to it. I set the parking brake and to be extra careful I went and stuck a steel wheel chok under the driver front wheel.

    After running the car a while in the driveway, I looked at my watch and realized I was late for a phone call. Time to hustle. I hop in and pull forward a few feet...AAAACKK!! WTF was that?!? Oh yeah...the wheel chok, dumazz!!!

    Here's a pic of what the rear tire did to the wheel chok. Tire didn't burst but I'm sorta afraid to go look in the garage now (an hour later) - worried there might be a slow leak.

    Good thing I've got 2 brand new rear tires ready to go on. :D
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    Good thing it didn't fly up and do some body damage. My garage is full of kids toys. They surround my cars. So I'm always checking to make sure I don't run over anything!! Lou
     
  20. davehelms

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    The 6mm band clamps do not have to be wild tight as they transmit clamping forces far better than the larger clamps can. It all looks fine to me.

    When doing this job, make sure you remove all of the spacers from the cover BEFORE lifting it off. Remove the the crush sleeves from the rubber tank mounts as soon as its lifted up off the studs. It sure looks easy to lift that cover off and leave them all in the recess under the nuts. Why would the sleeves in the rubber tank mounts fall out? Cause! I have spent all of 6 hrs looking for and accounting for all of the parts to make sure they did not end up in the cam belts. Have a magnet handy, once they are in the valley they get legs and hide very well.
     
  21. Sandy Eggo

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    Went for a shakedown drive on my personal 7 mile test-loop through some local backroads and happy to report that all is A-OK. Kept waiting to see a blue-green streak on the pavement in the rear-view mirror but it never happened. The tire is fine too. :D

    Still though, I will probably ask a neighbor to borrow a flex shaft nut driver to get after that bugger of a clamp.
     
  22. dlsh1

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    Hi Sandy:

    I noticed several of your emails to Dave Helm regarding your 355.

    I actually spoke with Dave yesterday - A man with a wealth of knowledge.

    My 355 engine had a c-rod bolt shear off and made the engine into a cuisinart. I am searching for a long block or short block for a six speed, 5.2. -1997/8/9. Can you suggest where I may search for one? Having a difficult time and would appreciate your thoughts. Thanks

    Seth
     
  23. Sandy Eggo

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    #23 Sandy Eggo, Sep 30, 2010
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    Whoa...I can barely change my coolant hoses...if Dave Helms can't point you in the right direction, I'm sure I won't be any help. The only tip I have for you is to give GT Car Parts a call - they're based in Arizona and don't have a website but believe you can find their phone # by googling them.
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    Had some scheduling challenges so the work will begin in earnest on Oct 11.

    The very interesting development is that it turns out that the mechanic I will be working with actually rebuilt my engine about 4 years ago (under someone else's ownership). It was a $25k service...something I guess you don't forget...anyway, he recognized the car. Is this what they call serendipity?

    Anyway, nice to have the car's "original surgeon" leading me through the major.
     
  25. Sandy Eggo

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    #25 Sandy Eggo, Oct 13, 2010
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    Well, we got underway with the serious stuff yesterday. Started around 8.30 and had the engine out of the car by about 2 pm - I'm not sure if that's quick or not but it was faster than I expected.

    John, the mechanic, moves through the steps so fast it's hard for me to keep up with what he's doing and capture key photos or notes. Plus, I'm always trying to lend a hand or do entire portions myself. Not to mention the various 'gopher' tasks I'm happy to complete - parts washing, etc. All part of being the apprentice.

    Today, as it turns out, I'm going to stay mostly out of John's hair while he does the meat of the service on the engine - and I'll focus on the gold connector upgrade. I cannot tell you how many of the connectors have torn rubber boots on them - probably a good 75% of them. Torn and ripped so badly that there's no telling what grime/dirt/crud is lurking inside.

    BTW, public thanks and recognition to 3forty8 for stopping by over the weekend to walk me through a live demo / tutorial on how to do the Helms connector upgrade.

    It's been great so far to be there during the process - learning, asking lots of dumb questions and actually helping a good bit. An extra pair of eyes is helpful as well - managed to point out a couple things that didn't look right and turned out they weren't.
    Included a bunch of photos here. Mostly self explanatory but I'll come back and comment if any questions.
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