Acceleration: F40, F50, Enzo, CGT & Veyron

You know what? I have driven so many USA F40s now (maybe 2 dozen) that when I drive one nowadays I can tell if it is a "quick" one or not. They are all slightly different because of the setup you described above, and then as the years go by the variables increase to vary the performance even more. This is why original magazine articles with tests done when the cars were new are so important. Not all magazines do tests properly, but lets face it, some magazine testers do this for a living and are very good with coming up with accurate numbers. Keep those magazine articles!

 

You must to drive a non cats F40 I can feel when I drive a cat version even me too.

You are right. Infact I think the years go by and the mileage go by are favourable for every particular inside who are determinants over the factory setting, and westegate spring and membrane could been out of setting in the years and the car could be faster for simple points like that. It's possible for supercharged engines. Or just the mileage over the running in.
I think there could been Euro F40s faster than Nick Mason's car and C/D F40 I think was not the fastest car sent to the USA.. and Mason's car could be quicker than some prototype cars too.
The Euro car tested by MOTOR seems to be quicker than Mason's car and just R&T US car seems to be faster than C/D car.
I think are possible US cars faster than some Euro cars too, but at the fact some Euro car are absolutely fast, even with the Enzo.
Michelotto said that their Euro non cats upgrade were able to 520 bhp, so I think a stock is around 500 hp corrected and catalytic engines around 480 hp. But the really the point are the engine curves like you are said.
About C/D car I think 60 - 130 mph could be improved. I don't accept that the US car is so close to the 430. Could be down 9 seconds for some US units.
My car is absolutely far faster than the F430 or F50 and I think the US F40 must be closer to the Euro car than the 430 at the end. Non cats are down 8 seconds and Euro cats are about 8 and 1/2.

BTW here a great article:
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F40, XJ 220, EB 110 GT, Diablo VT, 964 Turbo S
tested by Michael Schumacher for AutoBild (1994) on Mireval 3.2 km Goodyear circuit

1:28.3 Ferrari F40
1:30.4 Jaguar XJ 220
1:34.5 Lamborghini Diablo VT
1:35.3 Porsche 964 Turbo S (385ps)
no time listed for Bugatti EB 110 GT, but judging from the text its laptime was not much better than the Diablo's - if at all.

 

Thanks and great work!

Your car is fast as Nick Mason's F40 with no cats. A car rated nearly 500 bhp.
His F40 was 8.3s but the car was about "brand new" in June 1989 when FastLane test was made with two passengers.
In December 1991 it was 11.000 miles and 14.000 miles in March 1993.

 

http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_20016-Ferrari-F40-1988.html

The vehicle details for F40 NPG are:

Date of First Registration 04 11 1988
Year of Manufacture 1988

In June 1989 the car was not surely over 2500 miles being registred just 6 months before. Was 11000 mile after 3 years on the odo.

With low mileage the engine is not 100% for its top performance (even the owners manual is saying that a new car must be run in for at least 3000 miles).

 

8.1 seconds has been made with 95 gas instead of 93 gas as agreed?

 

The heat alone will kill power far more than a +2 to the octane will help. Nice run

 

It depends from humidity and barometrical pressure too. If these are favourable, the power losses could not be more than the gas octane.

This is a great example about a Porsche 997 4S on dyno. The car has 372.9 hp corrected, air temperature was hot, but humidity and barometrical pressure was good. The car loss just 2/3 hp than the power corrected. Here a higher octane gas will help.
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This is why I think that conditions and method are so important over all.

- Method. Try a run with low gas into the tank or full tank may a huge difference.
Try a run with the passenger may a huge difference too. Try a run with low gas and the second time with a passenger and full tank may a double difference.

- Conditions. Here I listen a lot of time conditions are not so important. But no, weather conditions are really important for the efficiency of the engine behind the temperature, humidity and pressure.
Just the temperature to conclude is nothing, if the other two are good. Yes, low temperature, low humidity and high pressure is the best condition for high power output, but the three are so relevant.

This is why 1 second without any method reference is just nothing to conclude.
This is why 1/2 second on 60 to 130 mph difference without meteo condition references is just nothing to conclude.

Take a look about Carrera GT. Evo was over 8.5 seconds with two passengers and C/D was an astonishing 7.3 seconds. It's well over a second behind the same car. Bill was tried with low gas and did 7.7 seconds and full was 8.1 seconds. His car was not able to do something like 7.3s without any helps by downhill but seems to be little faster than the Carrera GT tested by EVO.
It's already a mistake underestimate all these points

Why I don't want to buy a PerformanceBox? Guys, but with all these variables, how is possible to really conclude?
Just a trick about quantity of gas, passenger or just a point of bad temperature or low pressure is able to turn cards on the table comparing other data.

So, how is possible to really conclude? For me. We must buy a lot of interesting mags with a lot of articles and data. Then, is possible to arrive really close to the conclusion after some other considerations and valutations. If two cars are close within 1/2 second without any other reference, we must say that these cars, over the variables, are fast as the same.

 

Check out this acceleration test in an F40 with ex-F1 pilot Jean-Pierre Jabouille at the wheel...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGbmo2ivJnM&feature=related

 

I have a video at home of my F40 and my F40LMGTC having a run around a track in Australia with an F50. The F40 and F50 were fairly matched....but the LM was something else.
My F40 has No cats and is an australian delivered car.
The LM was lapping the Phillip Island track in 1.29s. Faster than the super bikes.
I've read with interest this log about F40's and my own conclusion is that the US cars are much slower than the NON cat euro/australian cars (only 3 australian delivered cars came to this country.).. I use AVEGAS (105 octane) and the cars both love it.
Conclusion....in Australia where the speed limit is 100-110 klms with cops and camera's everywhere...I don't think I really need to go faster than an the F40.

 

They are around 8 seconds. Both. The US F40s are around 9 seconds.

 

Please post if you can.

 

Hi Bill,

I know you started the 60 to 130 MPH thing, so I made a video of that segment of my run. When I was editing the video, the actual lenth of the clip was exactly 6.25 seconds, although youtube shows the video to be 7 seconds...

This was done at Mojave, 2700 ft elevation and 90 plus degrees.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1T7tRQaQvI

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2YVuJg4rSg

here is the video of mine mate, very harsh wheel spin as you can see, its an animal, quicker than a Ferrai F40 or Pagani Zonda too

The Zonda I have on VBOX the F40 not the actual file.

Collated here > http://www.ausrotary.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=143457&start=320

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqvaMTJZn8k Video proof

VBOX proof tested at local air strip x 2

60-130 in 8.62 seconds Had to turn the power down slightly due to the wet tarmac, but pretty close to what I run normally anyway, no excuses, just wanted to get this done before I am away on holidays.... Merry Christmas

 

I went through my vast and extensive Ferrari F40 collection file and found the first ever independent performance via 5th wheel equipment test of a Ferrari F40 being driven by Ivan Capelli

Terminal speed at end of 400m test was 201.8kmh or 125.8mph, time was 11.92 seconds.

This was the same article where the F40LM made its debut in the IMSA car series.

I have another excellent written article of an Australia who went to Modena to drive a F40 at Fiarano and I will def scan that one and post it up when I get time! It really depicts the savage nature of the power in the lower gears especially in that test he got 100kmh to 200kmh in 8.1 seconds as well.

I have another top speed trial meet where lots of top euro cars meet, found lots of good stuff that has not been posted here. I even have the first ever drive of the F40LM! as tested at Monza great detailed pictures of the engine bay along with quoted power levels at 2.0bar and 2.5bar gauge boot pressure as well

Even have the article of when a 959 went head to head against the F40 at the factory driven by Mr Berger! so so many, in the new year I will do my best to scan them and post them here.

 

Peter: your contributions are interesting. But the title of this thread covers just the F40, F50, Enzo, CGT, Veyron.

Best wishes for 2011!

 

Looking forward to the scans.

 

Looking forward to the scans!
I remember you that some German magazine tests were shown 6.4 seconds from 100kmh to 200kmh.

 

Been too flat out to post up here boys so sorry about that, however I do have another rare article on the F40 ! that lists its top speed and acceleration done in a multi car shootout here in Australia in 1996 it also features my car the Mazda RX7SP

When It arrives, I'll conduct another test of RICESP and list those figures next to the Ferrari F40 as another comparison.

 

Perhaps we can compare some other numbers. The ones that enable one to overcome Lateral Acceleration.

Any of these able to make their weight at lets say 132 mph?

How many G's can they pull in a 100 MPH turn? 1? 1.5? 2? 2.7?

 

Fighting Lateral Acceleration.
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Just fantastic. I love the detail. The mirror stalks are intentionally formed thus?