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360 F1. Reverse acting strange. Help.

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  1. Uomo360F1

    Uomo360F1 Formula Junior

    Aug 24, 2007
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    #1 Uomo360F1, Oct 18, 2010
    Last edited: Oct 18, 2010
    Early model F1. Sometimes it won't go into reverse at normal/hot engine temperature.
    I reset it by turning off the battery switch and back on after a few minutes. Reverse will engage at that point or when the engine cools down.
    Last couple of days, unfortunately the car was driven in slow moving traffic, thus, the transmission worked more than usual.
    Could this be the issue, or perhaps a hot relay?
    Note: I just installed a brand new F1 pump motor and clutch has less than a year since replaced. Also the F1 standard relay was changed for the heavy duty one. Any feedback is appreciated.
     
  2. 4redude

    4redude Formula Junior

    Jan 13, 2005
    733
    Fungus Corner
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    Brian Keegan
    You say the car is an early F1 model, but which transmission control unit do you have?
    Ferrari has changed part numbers (along with the software) SEVERAL times. If a customer complained about shifting issues while the car was under warranty, sometimes Ferrari would install a new TCU under warranty.
    You may need or look at the TCU itself or if you have the dealer or your mechanic run SD2 diagnostics, that data will be on the printout.
     
  3. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Jul 19, 2008
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  4. Uomo360F1

    Uomo360F1 Formula Junior

    Aug 24, 2007
    488
    #4 Uomo360F1, Oct 25, 2010
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2010
    Thank you guys. I've tried resetting the the ECU and following the above procedure. It seems to be a hydraulic issue. Last week, it would not go into 1st gear or reverse (hot engine). The only way to make the car shift was to hold back the paddle a few seconds and it could only deliver 2nd. After that, all gears worked, except 1st and reverse.
    Evidently there is a low pressure issue, and/or oil viscosiy thinning.
    When the F1 pump motor was replaced 2 months ago with a new one, Mobil 1 Synthetic ATF was used. Also the new pump was electrically primed (outside power) to get the fluid in.
    As I write, the entire F1 fluid system is being drained, filter cleaned, and new SHELL DOMAX fluid will come in.
     
  5. Signor Buona Wrencha

    Jun 21, 2008
    79
    Albuquerque
    Full Name:
    Aaron
    If you read page 108 of this document (page 110 of 764 of the pdf):

    http://www.ferraridatabase.com/The_Downloads/The%20Documents/Workshop%20Manual%20360%20Modena%20Vol%202.pdf

    Under the heading 6 IO settings, a procedure is described using an SD-2 tester. I have had good luck doing this procedure WITHOUT the SD-2 tester. When you read the description of what the SD-2 tester is doing and then do it yourself (instead of the SD-2 tester doing it for you). I have used this procedure on cars that I have had to change hydraulic lines on. It works, but you must follow the procedure exactly as stated.

    I use a kitchen timer for the first steps. Neutral for 5 minutes, 1st gear for 5 minutes with foot on brake and parking brake engaged. Then turn the car off and allow all lights to go out. Turn the key back on wait for the Check OK and shift to neutral.

    Next instead of the SD-2 running the gearbox from Reverse through 6th sequentially, you do it yourself. You will get the beep if it works or 4 beeps if it doesn't. If that happens start over and do it again.

    Hope this helps. Let us know if you have success.
     
  6. Uomo360F1

    Uomo360F1 Formula Junior

    Aug 24, 2007
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  7. Signor Buona Wrencha

    Jun 21, 2008
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    Aaron
    Since the link won't work, or I don't know how to properly embed the link in my post, I can describe it. The link is to ferraridatabase.com. When you get there go to Downloads. From downloads go to Workshop manuals. From there, go to Volume 2 of the 360 WSM.
     
  8. rustybits

    rustybits F1 Rookie
    Professional Ferrari Technician

    Jan 28, 2007
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    I'd get the p.i.s checked. If it's fine when it's cold but plays up when it's hot the p.i.s could be set to low. Anything less than 4.7 can cause it. Also sticking clutch release bearing seals can do this, traceable by watching for a varying p.i.s figure when the car is hot.
     
  9. magic

    magic Formula Junior

    Nov 2, 2004
    512
    London
    Sounds like a small fluid leak which only becomes an issues when the fluid heats up. Mine did the same thing when driving in slow moving traffic. The guys discovered a leak near the actuator i think.

    Also, if you are having an issue going into reverse put it into first and then straight into reverse it worked for me !
     
  10. Olag

    Olag Rookie

    Sep 9, 2010
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    Houston, Texas
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    Jim Coppedge
    I have a 2000 360 F1 that would not shift from N to R when the engine was warm. It would shift from N to R just fine when the engine was cold. When the engine was warm, though, it would shift from 1 to R. The dealer (Ferrari of Houston) did not know what to make of the issue, so their service department said they would do some research. During the week that they did research, I began to take notice that the shift form 1 to 2 was very jerky when the engine was warm. Also, I began getting an audible alarm (beeping similar to the beeping you would normally hear in reverse) when starting off gently from a standing start in 1 or when backing out of the driveway (in R), but again only when the engine was warm. When I provided this additional information, the dealer recommended replacing the clutch. It is now very smooth and reliable. So, you may be seeing the early signs of a spent clutch.
     

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