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Is # 41969 the last GTSi (2valve) built?

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  1. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

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    What a claim to fame, but since quite a few QV's were built before my car, and the fact that I haven't seen a higher numbered 2-valve yet, it might also explain some idiosynchrasies in it. For instance, it has QV distributors with the white plastic rotors, and the camshafts have no assembly timing marks on them.

    For the doubters, yes, the engine is original to the chasis!

    Info anyone?

    Best,

    Jack
     
  2. greyboxer

    greyboxer F1 World Champ

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  3. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

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    Thanks for that answer.I'll go dig some in that thread then, as I'd like to know why on earth they continued building both engines.
     
  4. Paul_308

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    Ferrari, we learn, didn't make schedule clean production cutoffs for economic reasons to scrape the most lira from inventory...quite natural. It's as though they would find parts in the back room for a few months years cars and use them up during the run of a newer car design. For example, in 1980, carbed and injected cars were assembled side-by-side throughout the year in a roughly 50-50 mix. Mondial received injected engines in 1979.

    Plus, the regulatory demands of emissions etc features, changed the production scheduling between engines placed into 4 major 308 groups - Euro, US, Euro Mondial, and US Mondial, such that things like QV engines were introduced to each as much as 18 months apart. Four valve engines, normally thought of as 1984-85 engines, were actually placed into Euro cars in early 1982.

    VIN - s/n lists are available but 308 information is fragmented and lists are kept separately on personal web sites. The formal Ferrari list is, like the Vatican archives, not open to the public nor low ranking officers. Yet, hope exists that a uniform database may be available sometime. First step is agreement on format, the biggest hurdle. And whether crashed and parted out cars would be included. Why not at least a checkmark.
     
  5. Dr Tommy Cosgrove

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    Can you post some pics?
     
  6. f308jack

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    My 82' GTSi is identical to yours, but for a deep front spoiler (and LHD).

    Serial number 42995.
     
  8. dj393

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    I have 41695 that was one of 3 pre-production QV's in 83. Not sure if that helps.
     
  9. Meister

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    Bluemel lists

    43059 as the last serial # of GTBi's
    43079 as the last GTSi.

    But he also has the first GTB QV as 42809 and 1st GTS QV as 41701, mondi QV 41737
     
  10. sammyb

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    You just have to look on the bright side: although there are no clear cut-offs like there are in American cars, at least Ferrari is well ahead of the classic British sporting makes, such as Triumph.

    While Ferrari has some cross-over of SN and models, at least there's some record. Triumph had such poor recording of production that some factory-delivered cars had factory-applied paint in colors for which otherwise there is no record. (One such example is the record of a "Jay Blue" car being made, but no records of which car or what formula/shade that color actually was!) And like the 2V/QV issue, Triumph was building TR4s side-by-side with TR3s (aka TR3B), but the 3Bs only went to North America.

    I suppose that's one thing that is benefitted by a hyper-red-taped government in this country in the last 30 years: it is so hard to get a vehicle certified for US sale and such strict rules apply to changes that manufacturers now have pretty strict cutoffs -- certainly for new models with new engines.
     
  11. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

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    Mr. Bleumel is then also at least partially incorrect.

    Although it seems logical that markets dictated the engine-configuration at the cross-over from 2 to 4 valves, it appears that this is not the only reason for the wide spread in chassis numbers: 2-valve examples were produced/ delivered much later than early 4 valves in the same market.
     
  12. f308jack

    f308jack F1 Rookie

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    Almost a 1000 cars later. No substitute for red/black:)
    The deep front spoiler won't work for me, as the car would spend the rest of its' life either in- or out of the garage.

    Incidentally, I believe that m/y '82 only yielded 37 or so RHD GTSi.
     

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