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*Spoiler* RBR IS AN ILLUSION!!!!!

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  1. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    The guy just won a major GP after being told his front wing was being given to his rival to increase his rival's chances.

    There is no way he had the thought process to tell an inside joke. He was upset -- and vented his frustration in public.

    It's pretty simple and obvious.
     
  2. SPEEDCORE

    SPEEDCORE Four Time F1 World Champ

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    #52 SPEEDCORE, Nov 8, 2010
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    OP needs to read the FIA rules.

    A Constructor can be a person that designs the chassis or engine.

    If the engine and chassis names are different the Chassis name comes 1st. The most important point. The FIA values the chassis owner name over the engine producer name.

    Pre-Concorde 2009 agreement it was worded ""the constructor of an engine or chassis is the person (including any corporate or unincorporated body) which owns the intellectual rights to such engine or chassis."

    Again it was engine or chassis.



    Maybe in the early days it was manufacturers but if you are really a purist you should of stopped watching F1 about the same time they started putting sponsorship stickers all over the cars ;)
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  3. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    really? simple and obvious and F1. hmmm :)
     
  4. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Under stress and in a moment of euphoria -- you bet.

    Webber has known that this season he has been treated like number 2. Again I say that if the tables were turned, Red Bull would have told Webber to move over for Vettel.
     
  5. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    I tend to agree....but I'm such a doubting thomas.
     
  6. climb

    climb F1 Rookie

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    I don't want to knock the effort of RBR when i say i feel real teams have foundries.
     
  7. 410SA

    410SA F1 Veteran

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    Clearly you have no sense of F1 history, even recent history. Car Manufacturers became involved in F1 when Bernie the troll made it absurdly expensive so that real race teams could no longer afford to be active. Names like Gurney's Eagle team, Wolf racing, Matra, Mclaren, when it was run by Bruce Mclaren, Stewart run by the great Jackie Stewart and a whole slew of privateers who raced for glory, not money - all gone and replaced by corporate brand names. A sorry state indeed!
     
  8. Whisky

    Whisky Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Who are you? OBVIOUSLY not a true F1 fan, because you don't understand the sport.

    Can you buy a Renault here?
    Are you going to be able to buy a McLaren?
    Do you know the evolution of F1 teams? (NO).

    McLaren did not start out building street cars, but guess what: GO RESEARCH FERRARI!
    Just because an F1 team is tied to a motorcar NAME means nothing.
    Renault came from Benetton, which came from Toleman.
    Williams started out as a March.
    Today's Lotus has NOTHING to do with Lotus the car company.

    For someone to think along the lines of your logic is depressing, and shows what little you really know about F1.
     
  9. robert_c

    robert_c F1 Rookie

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    #59 robert_c, Nov 9, 2010
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    So are all of these F1 teams an illuson also?


    AFM Germany 1952 AFM- Bristol, AFM-BMW
    AGS France 1986-1991 AGS-Ford
    Alta Alta
    Arrows Great Britain 1978-2002 Arrows, Arrows-Cosworth, Arrows-Asiatech
    Arrows-Supertec, Arrows-Yamaha
    Arrows-Megatron, Arrows-BMW, Arrows-Ford
    ATS Germany 1977-1984 ATS-BMW, ATS-Ford, ATS
    BAR Great Britain 1999-2005 BAR-Honda, BAR-Supertec
    Behra France 1959-1960 Behra-Porsche-Porsche
    Benetton Great Britain 1986-2001 Benetton-Playlife, Benetton-Renault
    Benetton-Ford, Benetton-BMW
    Brabham Great Britain 1956-1992 Brabham-Judd, Brabham-Yamaha, Brabham-BMW
    Brabham-Ford, Brabham-Repco
    Brabham-Climax, Brabham-BRM
    Brawn GP Great Britain 2009 Brawn GP
    BRM Great Britain 1951-1977 BRM, BRM-Climax
    BRP Great Britain 1958-1964 BRP-BRM
    Coloni Italy 1987-1991 Coloni-Ford
    Connaught Great Britain 1952-1959 Connaught-Francis
    Dallara Italy 1988-1992 Dallara-Ferrari, Dallara-Judd, Dallara-Ford
    Deidt USA 1950-1952 Deidt-Offenhauser
    Dunn USA 1957-1959 Dunn-Offenhauser
    Eagle 1966-1969 Eagle-Weslake, Eagle-Climax
    Emeryson Great Britain 1956-1962 Emeryson-Climax
    ENB Belgium 1962 ENB-Maserati
    Ensign Great Britain 1973-1982 Ensign-Ford
    Epperly USA 1955-1960 Epperly-Offenhauser
    ERA Great Britain 1952 ERA
    Euro Brun Italy 1988-1990 Euro Brun-Judd, Euro Brun-Ford
    Ewing USA 1950-1960 Ewing-Offenhauser
    Fittipaldi Brazil 1975-1982 Fittipaldi-Ford
    Fondmetal Italy 1991-1992 Fondmetal-Ford
    Footwork 1990-1995 Footwork-Hart, Footwork-Ford, Footwork-Mugen-Honda
    Footwork-Porsche
    Forti Italy 1995-1996 Forti-Ford
    Gilby Great Britain 1954-1962 Gilby-Climax
    Gordini France 1950-1956 Gordini
    Hesketh Great Britain 1973-1978 Hesketh-Ford
    HWM Great Britain 1951-1954 HWM-Alta
    Iso Marlboro 1973 Iso Marlboro-Ford
    JBW Great Britain 1959-1961 JBW-Maserati
    Jordan Great Britain 1991-2005 Jordan-Toyota, Jordan-Ford, Jordan-Honda,
    Jordan-Mugen-Honda, Jordan-Peugeot, Jordan-Hart
    Kurtis Kraft USA 1950 Kurtis Kraft-Novi, Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser
    Kuzma USA 1951-1960 Kuzma-Offenhauser
    Larrousse France 1987-1994 Larrousse-Ford, Larrousse-Lamborghini,
    LDS South-Africa 1962-1968 LDS- Alfa Romeo
    Langley USA 1950 Langley-Offenhauser
    Lesovsky USA 1950-1960 Lesovsky-Offenhauser
    Leyton House Great Britain 1990-1991 Leyton House-Ilmor, Leyton House-Judd
    Life Italy 1990 Life
    Ligier France 1976-1996 Ligier-Mugen-Honda, Ligier-Renault
    Ligier-Lamborghin, iLigier-Ford, Ligier-Judd
    Ligier-Megatron, Ligier-Matra
    Lola Great Britain 1967-1997 Lola-Ferrari, Lola-Lamborghini, Lola-Ford
    Lola-Hart, Lola-BMW, Lola-Climax
    March Great Britain 1970-1992 March-Ilmor, March-Judd, March-Ford
    March-Alfa Romeo
    Marchese USA 1950-1951 Marchese-Offenhauser
    Matra France 1966-1972 Matra-Ford, Matra
    Meskowski USA 1960 Meskowski-Offenhauser
    MF1 Russia 2006 MF1-Toyota
    Minardi Italy 1985-2005 Minardi-Cosworth, Minardi-Asiatech
    Minardi-European, Minardi-Fondmetal,
    Minardi-Ford, Minardi-Hart, Minardi-Lamborghini
    Minardi-Ferrari, Minardi-Motori Moderni
    Moda Italy 1992 Andrea Moda Formula
    Moore USA 1950-1959 Moore-Offenhauser
    Nichels USA 1950-1954 Nichels-Offenhauser
    Olson USA 1950 Olson-Offenhauser
    Onyx Great Britain 1989-1990 Onyx-Ford
    Osella Italy 1980-1990 Osella, Osella-Alfa Romeo, Osella-Ford
    Osca Italy 1951-1959 Osca
    Pacific Great Britain 1994-1995 Pacific-Ilmor
    Pankratz USA 1954-1955 Pankratz-Offenhauser
    Parnelli USA 1974-1976 Parnelli-Ford
    Penske USA 1974-1976 Penske-Ford
    Phillips USA 1954-1960 Phillips-Offenhauser
    Prost France 1997-2001 Prost-Acer, Prost-Peugeot, Prost-Mugen-Honda
    Rae USA 1950 Rae-Offenhauser
    RAM Great Britain 1976-1985 RAM-Hart, RAM-Ford
    Renault France 1977-2007 Renault
    RBR Great Britain 2005-2006 RBR-Ferrari, RBR-Cosworth
    Rial Germany 1988-1989 Rial-Ford
    Sauber Switzerland 1993-2005 Sauber-BMW, Sauber-Petronas, Sauber-Ford
    Sauber-Mercedes, Sauber
    Scarab 1960 Scarab
    Schroeder USA 1951-1955 Schroeder-Offenhauser
    Scirocco Great Britain 1963-1963 Scirocco-BRM
    Shadow USA 1973-1980 Shadow-Ford
    Sherman USA 1951-1952 Sherman-Offenhauser
    Simca-Gordini 1950-1953 Simca-Gordini-Gordini, Simca-Gordini
    Simtek Great Britain 1994-1995 Simtek-Ford
    Spirit Great Britain 1983-1985 Spirit-Hart, Spirit-Honda
    Stebro Canada 1963 Stebro-Ford
    Stevens USA 1950-1956 Stevens-Offenhauser
    Stewart Great Britain 1997-1999 Stewart-Ford
    STR Italy 2006-2007 STR-Cosworth
    Super Aguri Japan 2006-2007 Super Aguri-Honda
    Surtees Great Britain 1970-1978 Surtees-Ford
    Talbot France 1950 Talbot-Lago-Talbot
    Theodore Great Britain 1976-1983 Theodore-Ford
    Token Great Britain 1974 Token-Ford
    Toleman Great Britain 1981-1985 Toleman-Hart
    Trevis USA 1951-1960 Trevis-Offenhauser
    Trojan Great Britain 1974 Trojan-Ford
    Tyrrell Great Britain 1966-1998 Tyrrell-Yamaha, Tyrrell-llmor, Tyrrell-Honda
    Tyrrell-Renault, Tyrrell-Ford
    Vanwall Great Britain 1951-1960 Vanwall
    Veritas Germany 1951-1953 Veritas, Veritas-BMW
    Watson USA 1950-1960 Watson-Offenhauser
    Wetteroth USA 1950 Wetteroth-Offenhauser
    Williams Great Britain 1969-2007 Williams-Cosworth, Williams-BMW
    Williams-Supertec, Williams-Mecachrome
    Williams-Renault, Williams-Judd
    Williams-Honda, Williams-Ford
     
  10. PSk

    PSk F1 World Champ

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    Pete
    Absolutely. I have no doubt about it.

    Pete
     
  11. VIZSLA

    VIZSLA Four Time F1 World Champ
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    Jan 11, 2008
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    David
    A couple of exceptions to the rule prove nothing ;)

    Seeing them all together gives a good perspective (and brings back some memories) thanks.
     

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