WHAT did they use to weld the bodys together on the old ferraris?!?!?! | FerrariChat

WHAT did they use to weld the bodys together on the old ferraris?!?!?!

Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by whatspeedlimit?, Nov 7, 2010.

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  1. whatspeedlimit?

    whatspeedlimit? Formula Junior

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    Our shop is restoring a 250PF Cab. and OH MY GOD!!! I think the paint had more to do with holding the car together than the welds did!!!

    I'll put some pictures up tomorrow.
     
  2. Jon Hansen

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    I know some old timers that used coat hanger for gas welding rod with pretty good results!
     
  3. 335s

    335s Formula Junior

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    They were "stick" welded, in most cases-on steel cars.
    Alloy bodies were gas "welded"
    Copius hammering and lead were then used to "shape" the final contour, prior to a skim coat of the "tan colored" base coats...primed, painted...

    Body guys...correct me if tghis is deemed incorrect...been stripping these since early 1970s, and have seen some pretty scary stuff under all that red paint...
     
  4. whatspeedlimit?

    whatspeedlimit? Formula Junior

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    we have been using a paint scraper for some of the welds LOL!
     
  5. BigTex

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    It's been said "Mr. Blobby was a Factory welder.."

    That said, the welding machine is only as good as the input voltage, and Maranello is WAY out in the country!!
     
  6. swift53

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    Bailing wire is a local favorite...
    Regards, Alberto
     
  7. ProCoach

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    Lead was often used to stitch several smaller panels into larger ones.
     
  8. whatspeedlimit?

    whatspeedlimit? Formula Junior

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    #9 whatspeedlimit?, Nov 8, 2010
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  9. HotShoe

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    LOL!! Great point.

    When I started out making my sculptures I did a lot of research of the common construction techniques to try and keep them in the same "spirit" as the original, As you've pointed out you aren't going to see any "rows of nickles" in their welds. The word "booger" would be more appropriate.
     
  10. glasser1

    glasser1 Formula Junior

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    What's wrong with those? That's what my welds look like.
     
  11. whatspeedlimit?

    whatspeedlimit? Formula Junior

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    I mean on some of the non structural parts, A smaller weld is fine. But on the tube frame in one of those pictures, you can shine a flashlight under that! 50 years of technology does a lot LOL
     
  12. TTR

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    Yet, another side of the coin is that all this held together for 50 years ? ;-)
     
  13. whatspeedlimit?

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  14. Jack-the-lad

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    You "artistes" have an elegant way with words!

    Jack
     
  15. Motob

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    Those do not look like original Ferrari welds. Even though the frames and frame tubes were originally stick welded, the original ferrari stick welds would be of much better quality than those depicted in the photos.

    The Ferrari welders were craftsmen, who could stick weld much better than most people can MiG or TIG weld today. At some point in time your car was repaired by someone that did not know how to weld.
     
  16. whatspeedlimit?

    whatspeedlimit? Formula Junior

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    The welds on the chassis itself are great! From my understanding, it was when the car was bodied that the welds got sketchy. The final product still is timeless, crappy welds or not :)
     
  17. whatspeedlimit?

    whatspeedlimit? Formula Junior

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    #18 whatspeedlimit?, Nov 8, 2010
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    This is the second 250GT Cabriolet that we have done a "ground up" on and the coachwork is consistent with the first one. I suppose it is somewhat difficult to see what parts of the car I'm showing you pictures of. Theres pictures of the process on the link.


    Current Project: http://www.classicrestodenver.com/galleries/60-Ferrari-250-PFCab/60-Ferrari-250-PFCab.html#60-Ferrari-250-PFCab-001.jpg

    Completed 61' http://www.classicrestodenver.com/galleries/61-Ferrari-250-PF-Cab/61-Ferrari-250-PF-Cab.html#Ferrari-250-PF-Cab-11.jpgr:
     
  18. kare

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    What are the serial numbers of these cars? Best wishes, Kare
     
  19. boothguy

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    #20 boothguy, Nov 8, 2010
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    What's captured in the post-blasting pics in this thread, and in the progress photos of the two linked restorations is very indicative of what I found on my SII cab (#71 out of the 200) as well. I've heard that they had the junior guys doing a lot of these welds, on the theory that their work was going to be covered up by that thick layer of undercoatiing. It's definitely pretty rough.

    Also, they all seem to have rusted in the same way and the same places. My car spent most of its time in Virginia, and had the same rotten rockers, outriggers, floor panels, door bottoms and trunk floor as the cars documented in the restoration pics.
     
  20. whatspeedlimit?

    whatspeedlimit? Formula Junior

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    #21 whatspeedlimit?, Nov 9, 2010
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    We got lucky with this 60 PF because it stayed in Arizona since the 70's, the 61' that we did before had WAAAAAY more rust.
     
  21. whatspeedlimit?

    whatspeedlimit? Formula Junior

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    Love to see some post blasting pics on yours
     
  22. glasser1

    glasser1 Formula Junior

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    Here I was joking.

    Here I was not.
     
  23. 3500 GT

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    I've always, always, been amazed by the poor build quality of Ferrari road cars.

    ~Ciao
     
  24. buurman

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    I fully agree with Brian Brown.
    Those who think this is PF- quality haven't seen much.

    Kare the black one is#2381GT

    C.
     

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