Luca Di Montezemolo: No next Enzo in the next three years.

i think there are nothing true on this interview...montezemolo is ready to do prime minister in italy in the near future....

 

So it may have been delayed by a year compared with the April 21 presentation which suggested 2012 - look out at Frankfurt 2013 ?

 

with the 458 being so quick and the new Murcielago being 700bhp, just how much fast is the Enzo replacement going to have to be to stick out in this new crowd?

 

IMO it doesn't have to be. The enzo successor is a true supercar. Its radical design, impracticality, and low volume is enough to make it desirable. The are many sports cars that are a lot cheaper that will outperform the enzo (GTR, Viper ACR, ZR1) but they aren't true supercars and will never really compete with one. As long as the successor is groundbreaking in design and construction I think it will be fine.

 

IMO it will be light/hybrid/ and smaller than the Enzo.

 

He's better in selling Ferraris...

In any case, New Scaglietti is ready and they're working on the 458 Scuderia...

But I'm quite sure that we wont see the new Supercar before 2012...

 

Luca is notoriouse for misleading and confusing statements....the new 612 replacement named "151" is already being viewed by dealers and they have a schedule of client views between know and mid January. Ferrari's official plan has stated one new model a year...which means...458 spider, 599 replacement, 458 scud or M, Cali M, and supercar....obviously....things can slip a little...but its the core strategy of the company.

It wouldnt be as much fun or interesting if he just came out and said what his plans are....he has competition that are all aiming for him.....

stay tuned...more surprises to come.

MJ

 

I think the same.

I think it needs to be bare bones, back to the basics, while at the same time having a in your face design, but you automatically think classy.

 

+1

Jim, right on the money, they have been saying to expect a lightweight TT V8 for a long time now. I would imagine it to be more of a 288/F40 than an Enzo, however with the creature comforts of the more modern cars.

 

Do you like that direction?

 

I'm an old crank but I realize that this is the way of the world.

I do think the Porsche 918 which moves in that direction is pretty cool and yes I'll probably like it.

 

I do. I trust Luca, he was Enzo's right hand man for many years. He knows what Ferrari is all about, it won't be a slow electric car. If you want a target, look at Porsche's 918.

The Enzo's successor will be targeting this IMO.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2010/07/porsche-to-build-918-hybrid/

But a faster TT V8. Under 3 seconds 0-100km & a higher end top speed around the Enzo's figures I'd say. Radical crazy styling like the Enzo, futuristic but still classy.

After they've worked the kinks out with the V8, they'll do the something with a V12 in 2022 for the 75th anniversary.

 

I'd like to see something with a bit more intensity and involvement as well. I
never thought I'd say it, but im beginning to see the romance of the 911, its persevering characteristics (and flaws) in particular.

Ferrari Fxx, while I like the design of the 918, I just don't believe that the car can achieve the quoted figures while achieving the quoted mileage in even ideal circumstances and also keep weight down. A 200 hp electric motor with the requisite battery stores (or alternatively kinetic mechanisms) will add more weight that will compromise the handling. In that context, the extra power will matter less to me, as it will just be a heavier Carrera GT.

If the Enzo successor follows the same strategy, I should hope that the principles of the Millichelli model finally materialize. Maybe then, the 599 successor will drop a few hundred kilos as well.

 

Next murcielago is 700hp,1500kg, sub3sec on 0-62, and 220mph. 150kg or so less.
They will produce a limited number of Sesto elemento 999kg 570hp....


I don't think next F. supercar will be lighter than enzo. Not under 1365kg. They said 430 succesor will be lighter than 430. 458 came out being heavier, and they blame it on the emission regulation. Thats funny, because a lighter car would use for emission standards.

Its just pure marketing. Supercar means extravagant design, lots of power. With introduction of turbos they will meet the emission standards, and thats the easy way. They wont do a small,light hypercar.


If they really want to do a light supercar they use a 458/mclaren mp4-12 sized car, with carbon fiber all over, from chassis to skin, and very small and turbo engine.
I think we will see a 1400kg+ car with 800hp v8 4.5l(from 458) with turbos to help boost the power and meet regulations. Everybody will say "wooowww" and will forget the "light" direction.....

Same stuff for next porsche 918. More power than carrera gt, new design. Its not hard to put more hp, more electronics, better tech, better rubbers from 2004(carrera gt) and 2002(enzo) and to came with a car that everybody will like...........


If you putt better rubbers on Enzo, improved engine and electronic you will get a 2.7s, 230mph car v v v easy....They only need to put the pack in a different clothes and the job is done....they will get the customers....

Thats not special........They need to do something special!

 

LOL.

When the 360 came out, I recall Luca being very pleased and saying "this is the best of our capability at this time". But of course, Ferrari WILL continue to improve and I have no doubt they WILL make a Scuderia version of the 458 and a new hyper car before 3 years is over. Luca is "sandbagging" as usual....

 

^

yup - this coming from a guy that said ferrari will never make more than 5,000 cars a yr.

yeah right luca.

money talks and BS walks when it comes to him - he is a standard ceo.

 

I agree with this notion of the timing. I believe Ferrari is setting up the Enzo successor to be an "F65" in order to line up to a 75th anniversary car ten years later.

-F

 

+1

 

Everything I have heard/read suggest and leads to this opinion also. I do look forward to what they have planned

 

With F1 going small displacement, turbocharged, then perhaps the top Ferrari road car will follow suit. Also, as Napolis pointed out, lightweight and hybrid. However, Hybrid (KERS) does not automatically suggest electrical hybrid but may likely mean a Kinetic capture like the Porsche 911 GT3 R.

 

Maybe a Twin Turbo Charged V-8 rear-engined car with carbon fiber chassis/panels and some hybrid technology?

I think this would be a very nice successor to the ENZO and good challenger to Porsche and MaClaren.

 

I think that a Kinetic flywheel system like the 911 GT3's is unlikely in a street car as the flywheel takes up too much room vs batteries which can be spread around into available space. In the Porsche the flywheel takes up the passenger seat area.

Spinning mass except near the CG is also a handling issue.

 

It doesn't have to be a flywheel mass. Could be hydraulic or compressed air to be used as an assist. Batteries and electric motors certainly have their tradeoffs as well. The 911GT3 R doesn't seem to suffer from handling, but I'll never get any seat time in one to give you my impressions

I don't personally like the hybrid idea for a supercar / hypercar. Give me simple, light, direct, and communicative. Power isn't the bottleneck in modern cars.

 

So, if it's a small light hybrid, will it effectively be a hybrid 458? I guess the advantage of lightness will mean it will be a better handling car than the current Enzo (F60), but perhaps not as powerful in a straight line.

So... would an apt summary be that instead of making a 458 Scuderia, Ferrari are adding KERS and calling it the Enzo replacement?

All the best,
Andrew.