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K&N - Mobil 1 Oil Filters - Identical?!

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  1. RacerX_GTO

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    K&N, Mo1, STP, Bosch, and even WalMart "SuperTech" filters are all made by Champion Labs. I hear the new Royal Purple filter is a Champion, too.

    There are some subtle differences in some of them, though.
    (Typically, the Mo1 filters use a finer spec filter element for synth oil; the SuperTechs use the cheaper "clicker" bypass valves.)

    There are only a handful of actual filter manufacturers. Most "brand" names are made by someone else.
     
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    I like the nut on the end of the K & N filters, makes them sooo much easier to change in hard to reach places.
     
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    +1. But since they do not possess the internal standpipe, you still don't want to use it on a 308/328/Mondial. Stick with UFI or Baldwin.
     
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    I believe you might find a thread here somewhere where someone compared the internals. It seemed they were pretty much equally high quality...and with Baldwins only $10, most would opt for them.
     
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    does mobile 1 or K make one for Ferrari?
     
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    The nut is obvious but brilliant. I'm so sick and tired of pounding a screw driver through an oil filter to remove it.
     
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    #9 DGS, Mar 26, 2011
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    A filter wrench -- either a multisize band or individual size cap type -- is a pretty obvious garage toolbox accessory for under $10.
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    The statement including Bosch in the Champion produced filters is incorrect. Purolator is wholly owned by Bosch and Mann/Hummel is a partnership. Champion does not supply Bosch.

    K&N is a marketers dream - nothing more. Their air filters are a whole other story. The majority of oil filters are brands. Stick with a manufacturer or buy the OEM filter.
     
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    I have found filters so stuck a filter wrench wouldn't move them. The band wrench would spin, and the cap wrench would round the end of the filter.
     
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    #12 DGS, Mar 26, 2011
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    Apparently so, as of 2008: http://xlforum.net/vbportal/forums/showthread.php?t=206916
    The older Bosch filters were made by Champ.
    (1999 and 2008 comparos) http://minimopar.knizefamily.net/oilfilters/reference.html#bosch (Scroll up for the review of Baldwin/Hastings on the same page.)
    (from 2000) http://people.msoe.edu/~yoderw/oilfilterstudy/oilfilterstudy-german.html#72150

    You need to change your filter more often. ;)

    With a band wrench, I find that a slow steady pressure works better than trying to hammer the thing off.
     
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    #13 f355spider, Mar 26, 2011
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    No. They claim in their applications guides they have something that fits the 308/328/Mondial and it physically will, but does not have the internal standpipe, so it will be a long and agonizing time while the "low oil pressure" light is illuminated on your dash with each cold start. I vaguely recall buying a Mobil 1 filter, after seeing it in their application guide and could not figure out the light issue...until learning about the standpipe on the Ferrari List. I promptly bought a UFI filter from the dealer and resolved the issue.

    Seriously, the Baldwin rocks as far as quality, and for only $10 cannot be beat. If you are impressed with names, I would get the UFI over a Mobil 1 or K&N oil filter.

    For a 348 or 355, we have no choice but to use the factory recommended Purflux filter. There are no cross references.
     
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    #14 DGS, Mar 26, 2011
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    Back in 2000, when UFI had the recall issue with the sealing rings, the shop put a Fram on my 328. I had the same low pressure start issue.

    I switched it to a Baldwin, and haven't looked back. The dealer still uses UFI, but I still prefer the Baldwin for my Italians. (The 328 and the Alfa spider both use the same filter.)


    For the EVO, I use the Mo1 (by Champ Labs). I called Champ Labs about it, back in '03 or so. The SuperTech was about $2 at Wally Mart vs $15 at AutoZone for the Mo-1 -- both made by Champ, and I wanted to know the difference.
    Champ uses a different filter element in the Mo1 branded filters, intended for fully synth oil.
    Where the filter is mounted hanging downward under the engine, it doesn't need the standpipe.

    I was also a bit concerned how *small* the EVO's filter is. ;) But then, the ricer holds less than 5 Qts of oil, to over 10 liters in the 328. The Alfa carries a whopping 12L in that big finned aluminum oil pan (that doubles as an oil cooler).
     
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