Burnt clutch with only 10% wear?

And big thanks to everybody else to contributed their 2cents on PIS/Kisspoint, and slipped screws - I wrote it all down in an email and sent it to their technician.

He probably deleted my email the minute he got it. Sob.

 

It would help if you completed your profile, I guess you're not in Kansas.

 

"Oil the gearbox" could very well be a (very) liberal translation of "make sure you have enough oil in the F-1 system.

"replace the entire clutch" is probably just invented on the spot.

But since there seems to be no other sensible alternatives, why don't you call Ferrari -Italy yourself?

 

There are two kinds of drivers people who think they like sports cars but want to drive them like automatics and guys who think sports cars involve the senses and like manuals. So far every other manufacturer has got that. The ferrari idea that there is a 3rd class the F1 shifter driver is a mistake. Over the years as the F1 has become the only shifter in the Ferrari lineup I am seeing less drivers and more increase in waxer/polishers. I think the real driver will be going to Porsche. I don't mean to offend just my observation. But then on the other hand this whole F1 shifter idea is the best source of income for Ferrari. We advanced diy'ers are basically and finally left out of the loop. While it used to be the "get in fee" for diy work was a 2000.00 lift and a box of tools with the F1 is is a $25k sd2/3 testor and a $2k lift and box of tools. If diy'ers had access to the SD2/3 we would blow open the F1 gearbox just like we did with 348 gearboxes, multiple engine rebuilds, cam timing etc... Except for small isolated pockets of help like the threads on coverteing 360 F1 pumps for the 355, For now everyone with an F1 shifter is just going to have to pay.

 

i would contact another dealer or look for an indept shop. call around, talk to them and seek their advice.

if you feel comfortable with another shop, ask them to have the car transported there. the transport will only run a few hunded bucks and it'd be money well spent.

when someone tells you there is no guarantee, they really are fishing for solution. you don't want to have your car worked on by someone not qualified. there are plenty of unqualified dealerships out there.

 

As a shop owner I do agree that a customer deserves an explanation of the work to be performed and how we came to that decision. It's called honesty and fair business ethics. There are times when the answer is not cut and dry. Auto repair is becoming more like rocket science. New BMWs employ more technology than the space shuttle.
Medicine deals with one human being with slight variation. Cars of different makes vary in much bigger ways than that. Without $100k in computers for different car lines a shop is limited on late models no matter how experienced it is.

Karl Troy

 

Nope, not really at all....not even close, actually

Using hyperbole to emphasize a point is one thing, but that statement is ludicrous.

 

Dec 16, 2010*… The new BMW 3 Series Touring model was primarily developed for*… as well as providing the superior level of technology and quality .... dumb cars with more electronics then the original space shuttle. ....







I wasn't sure I could find something like the above quote but I did.
Would you consider Porsche's latest and greatest, the Panamera, cutting edge technology? If so, it's on the level of a model year 2000 BMW. Guess what? Ferrari is even further behind. May be not in F1 but on road cars.
Of course I shouldn't tell you any of that as you seem to be the leading expert in automotive technology.
We should all bring our cars to your house from now on.

 

Nope --- I would recommend instead that you take your cars to a qualified service facility instead.

But, if you want to bring your Rocket or Shuttle over, I can help you out

 

David, I kindly appreciate the offer and will take you up on it if and when the need arises.

Cheers
Karl

 

Don't mean to hi-jack but my authorized dealer told me that I am better of using auto in heavy traffic. Are they wrong????? Steve

 

Actually, the statement is correct. The shuttle was built in the late 1970s and early 1980s before a lot of the modern technologies were flight ready let alone space ready.

There is more computer power in the average hand held calculator that in all 5 main shuttle flight computers.

I would suspect the ECU in the BMW has roughtly 25 times the compute power of all 5 main shuttle computer combined.

 

I give up.....

Just how many upgrades do you think the Shuttle's flight systems have had since it's IDR ???

At any rate, "Technology" encompasses much, much more than simply computer processor hardware.

But, if I ever see one of "these" at a launch site, I will be duly impressed by BMW's technology
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I think you are more likely to see a shuttle with a Russian Lada badge, sorry I mean the only shuttle leaving thins planet in the foreseeable future.

 

I was wondering who would be the first to throw out a giant phallic symbol in this debate. . .

Did poor MNM ever get his transmission fixed??? They probably just need to turn the transmission control computer off and back on again.

 

Perhaps we are all chasing a red herring here. Why would clutch wear figure at all in gear engagement? Even if the clutch is completely worn and can't drive the transmission at all the gears would still engage. A dragging clutch will hamper engagement(did you say burnt?).
I suspect the fault will be unrelated to the clutch itself and lie either in it's fancy schmancy control or perhaps an issue with the gearbox or perhaps the gear oil given the improvement with cooldown.


I'm just an old time shadetree mechanic who has little understanding of the F1 clutch control system but do understand what a mechanical clutch does and doesn't do. these symptoms just don't add up to "clutch" regardless of what whiz bang technology controls it. A clutch replacement may indeed correct the problem but I suspect temporarily.

 

A dragging clutch prevents gear engagement in F1.

 

There you go.
Using the "automatic" mode while stationary in traffic does this system declutch or select neutral? If it's not fully declutched wouldn't it stand to reason a dragging clutch would then be burned a bit or at least glazed?
Hydraulic actuation, right? What if there is simply some air in the hydraulics preventing full declutching?
I'm very curious about what the permanent solution will be.

 

Dear Sigmund ---

Sometimes a rocket is just a rocket...

 

You need to spend some time studying the theory and operation of the sytem. Your fears and assumptions are unfounded.