TODA stroker kit

The funny thing is TODA of japan on their website had a cost of (2,355,000 yen) est.$25,876 USD for the kit. The US dealer is saying $45,000 for the same kit. That's some expensive shipping cost!!!

 

INTMD8- In the olden days of hot rodding, we worried about piston speed when they got above ~4000-4500 fpm. That is a 10% increase for the stroker kit and 5000 fpm is really smoking.

I think there might be cause for concern. Has to be rough on bearings and rings, as well.

Do they provide a curve for hp vs rpm? Lowering redline might not cost you much hp.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Those prices are stupid. How can they justify a $15,000 crank? I was just at a shop about an hour ago that builds Mustang engines. The shop car makes 2000hp+ (runs a HUGE turbo) and had to have a custom crank to handle all the power. The crank cost them something like $2600, $3k tops. There is no way the "Toda" crank is worth $15k. What they wanna charge for bearings is a joke. You can buy a set of ACL racing bearings for $135, and that would come with 10 main bearings, 8 rod bearings, & 2 thrust washers. There is NO WAY a set of main bearings cost $2700, that is just pure BS! Then they want $2900 for rod bearings.....I don't think so.

I REALLY like the idea of a bored and stroke Ferrari engine. But sorry, $45,000 for just parts is retarded. What a joke.

 

Almost as bad as a $2500 F355 water pump

 

If that is so, there insane for the kit. That's a F430 engine swap at that price.

 

So up to 45000$ the Kit plus shipping plus 20000 to 30000$ labour plus and plus and plus.

Up to 70,000$ for an engine that will last maybe 5000 miles in a car that with so much HP will kill me at once!
I dont want to know what they smoking up there!!!

 

I have a decatted tubi, K&N filter, high performance fuel regulator (adjustable), high lift race cams, gas flowed heads and pelnum chamber and newly ground polished valves and seats given me around 375 bhp - 385 bhp depending on air density and ambient temperature. It has the same perfoirmance fiqures as the 355 revving to 8200 rpm and around 4.6 secs 0-60. Its is torquer then a 355 closer on par with a 360 from 70 mph to ~120 mph due to engine mods, which is the main perfrormance difference. The car has been lowered and set up for track with larger anti rollbars.

 

maybe the prices are yen not $? That's the only way they make any sense.

I can tell you that you can dump stup money into modding a ferrari engine.....but this kit seems a littl more than stupid.

 

It's not, it's price in dollars. If you look at the pdf it's from Toda USA, and the prices clearly have $ signs in front of them. If they had them priced in Yen then they would have had a ¥ in the front of the price.

What is it that people think just because some part is going into a Ferrari that that the sky is the limit when it comes to pricing????

 

It sure seems that way!

 

Yea the more I analyze this kit it really doesn't make alot of sence...especially cuz I was told it's all about the engine builder & tuning involved. It's crazy that the 355 has very little performance upgrades like the modern ferrari's. I just recently purchased my 355 & I always want to make sure that the performance #'s are always respectable & I can stay ahead of all Toyota scions & minivans! LOL

 

Boost is your friend.

You don't see more stuff because there just isn't much of a market and the easy/cheap to do stuff is all stock on a ferrari whic only leaves expensive/hard stuff for the aftermarket.

 

Toda storker kit update! I'm bored so looking for new stuff and toda Usa facebook page I came across this. They say Viz's are in the works of the dyno in action this engine I think is for a USA customer they build them in Japan and this is the 490 to 500 hp kit. I think they are selling parts separated So Hope you guys like I'm very jealous. LOL
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Oh man, thanks for posting your find. Got me self wood now, great

 

Kudos Craig....you always seem to find some really cool stuff. I am just like you when it comes to being bored with the same old stock stuff for the 355.

I am not a fan of the belt drive setup TODA uses...Dave and I talked about this years ago as I was going to do the 7000 series aluminum cam drive gears and make it adjustable using slots and allen screw(just like the 360). I now agree with Dave that the factory 355 setup can't be improved on and is by far the most reliable.

Secondly, they are using either the manganese or phosphorous bronze valve guides...I have used these for 40 years and thought they were the endall until I tried the PM steel guides.
I can run the bronze with no lubrication and they eventually seize...do the same with the PM steel guides(Hitachi formula) and I can't get them to seize.

As for those cam's??? Don't know if they have a different grind.....looks like they tap'd/threaded the pin holes for the allen/socket screws for the cam gears and put a hi-tech coating on them. Would be nice to know what is different over stock OE.

My guess is they have bumped up the compression to to around 14/1 to get the hp numbers.

Nice to see them use an engine dyno....that is the only way to develope a serious engine build.

One last thing...the piston cooling nozzle mod...Dave Helms is the master on this and has been doing it for years...he is still one up and the best in my book.

 

Gentlemen...

Here are some facts about the kit that might interest a few..
Toda refuses to sell the kit alone.. It must be assembled by the toda Racing team.
You need to supply your own motec ECU
Price of kit........ $90,000 AUD at .80JPY exchange rate!!!!!!

Personally i think theres a better way to get 120hp..
Nitrous for one or TT conversion

Oh and they said they would deliver it to me free of charge if i went ahead..
Thats without headers!!

I think the bypass valve is deleted.. They use sacclam Grupe M exhaust the 10k one!!
As yet they havent been able to send me a sound clip..
So with the bypas valve deleted it may not sound F1 like

Heres some dyno / pics for everyone to chew on
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If that is the case then a 430 or 458 motor swap with a 430 6 speed gearbox will do the trick for me at that price. LOL

 

Here is a sound clip for the Saclam/GruppeM exhaust system that cost approx. $11k.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5gvQePpP90

 

At that kind of money you can either buy a new car or pop for a Novitech Rosso full kit upgrade!

 

I have been looking for a way to bump the HP on my 355 for years now, but at this cost, I'll do the TT kit AND buy a spare 355 Spider on ebay!

 

This all sounds pretty cool, but:

> how drivable are each stage of tune (for a road car). The dyno charts start at 3K! I am sure the performance is blistering, but at what cost for a road car.

> installation, set-up, adding a Motronic EMS, rewiring and tuning would add a chunk to the already insane pricing.

> how much weight can be removed from the 355? If the 355 could loss 400lbs, one could get better than stage-one performance (440hp) AND improved handling.

> if the 355 could shed 600lb it would nearly hit stage-3 performance (485hp), maintain driveability and gain insane handling improvements.. without touching the engine. That's where I would spend my money.

> how much would it cost to shed 3-600lbs off the 355? I can see 200lbs being easily attainable... thats like having 410hp!

CF bumpers, door ducts, and seats for a start.
Anyone have the OE weight figures for those?

 

Can you tell us more about these.. PM I assume means 'powdered metal'? Are these Hitachi ones ceramic infused? What makes them superior? Where can one source these?
thx J

 

Yes,PM is powdered metal(aka sintered steel).

The process is standard...it's the formula design that determines the operating parameters.

The newer Ferrari guides are all you need. I used the latest guides for the 360.

Daniel at Ricambi can get these for you.