Leonardo Diagnostic tool Clinic/demonstrartion

So FedEx made things right?

 

Yup..they certainly did..after a very strongly worded phone call to the route manager and dispatch office. That won't happen again..

 

Hi From sunny Ohio. Received my Leonardo about three weeks ago. I have tried it on a 348, several 355's, a 360, 430, and two Grand Sports. Small learning curve without English translations for instructions but Nick has been great at odd hours and on weekends. Upgrades are real easy and I am looking forward to a couple of small issues being corrected. In fact the biggest problem may have been addressed in the latest upgrade but do not have a car to check with at the moment. It would not read anything on a real early 360 F1 gearbox. The 355, 430 and Maserati were non issues. Also the ABS is a good as any factory tool I have ever used.

 

Argeed. One thing I did notice, When bleeding in the release bearing the "on" button worked, but the Off button did not. I had to keep backing-out of the acutations menu inorder to get the pump to stop pulsing the bleed function. No big deal but a bit annoying. I will be sitting in front of the computer on saterday to down load all the lastest softwear from Accinni..and will be re testing it.

 

They never sent me one to evaluate even though we have a vast array of cars (every single model Ferrari and every single model Lamborghini).

Received a few negative reports from shop owners that bought the unit and had issues and never received promised updates to cure via PM's here

So I passed.

I already own an SD-2.

Instead of buying the Leonardo for now, I purchased the complete LDAS-32 & LARAS CF System to service our Lambos and took delivery last Friday.

For the later Ferraris, for now I think I'll wait around for some other folks to pay $20k to develop the unit for Accini.

Now if Accini decides it may be beneficial for a true assessment by an independent Ferrari shop that services "all" models in true "shop repair/diagnostic use" this unit is touted to work on and can compare how it stands up to the factory units as I proposed to them I'm still game.

 

Just for the record, I read the thread title as "Leonardo DiCaprio tool Clinic" That would have been a very different thread.

I prefer this one.

Well done all.

-dsd

 

I'll PM you the disgruntled and you can deal.

Not at "all" claiming to be the only one capable nor trying to insult.

Simply put, we service over 200 Ferrari out of our shop and I've had the SD2 for right at 10 years (bought it from the factory) and I've used the Sd3 as well as old Sd1 in many many diagnostic as well as cycle tests of components. You and I discussed this as well as the fact that we already have 458s as well as 2010 Lambos we service.

Originally you told me you would send one to me to try out and I told you two other highly admired consultants on Fchat (Helms & Patterson) were anxious to get my personal assessment before they thought seriously about buying. Since then three other shops contacted me and wanted my feedback when I got to use the unit. Then due to SEMA show it was no longer available for you to send me. You and I emailed and voice corresponded regarding this but it seems to have fallen through the cracks.

Most the posts on this thread are great for the do it yourself guy who has not had the other SDs to compare functionally but maybe I don't know all the facts. As far as support I never needed any support with the SDs anyhow.

I'm still up for demo of one in ou shop and like I said if it does all the things claimed I'm I buyer. You can call me Thomas if you like but that's what I need to proceed. We still need it for 599/612/Cali/458

 

Don't keep anything a secret!

If you have heard complaints from guys who've bought one I need to know.

It's a big ticket purchase and I want all the pros and cons before I go forward.

 

It may be a great purchase for most folks but I don't feel I personally should pay $20k for something not fully developed, basically financing the development as well as giving free info back on what it is missing or needs for improvement/functionality....I think if you are willing to do that for Accini with basically a BETA version, you need a discount or at least get paid for your input. After all, time is money and my customers don't pay for me to learn on their cars nor would I charge them. I also think my experience is worth a little too if I'm going to be giving feedback to improve/fix a product.

Once they get all the bugs and stuff done then maybe I'd be game at that kind of Dinero. However, just not willing to commit otherwise.

The folks who contacted me were from Europe and the UK. It may have been corrected by now but it made me decide to wait. It was a "BIG" investment on the Lambo system, so I thought about it hard. The main reason I did not buy though is I was originally told I could try one out for a week and then that fizzled away. Here is a quote from one of the guys voicing his frustrations back around Nov 1:

Hi David

I purchased a unit in July and quickly discovered that most of the language was Italian.
It would not communicate with alot of modules and no Multimeter / Oscilloscope functions as described in the brochure.
I was asked to down load new updates to rectify the communication problems.
No matter what I tried it would not upgrade.
Augusto said he would replace the unit but they would be on holidays for the month of July.
Then he promised the new unit would be ready for shipment around the 16th-18th of Oct.
On the 26th of Oct, I e-mailed him and he informs me that supply of the main board was delayed and he may have a replacement unit soon ?
I'm not sure this company can deliver on there sales promises, a customer is a customer, no matter how big or small after all.
Had a 2005 Ferrari 430 in today for diagnostics, selecting neutral when driving. Leonardo diagnosed the fault as P1772 "present" but no description ? most of the information is in Italian.
Battery life is non existent. e-mail from Augusto said the battery life will be increased in 2011 to 4 hours. I'm interested in the future of Leonardo, need action now. More sales bump !!!!
This is to let you know my experience to now.

 

We have a Leanardo. And yes it does have its issues. BUT..I do understnd that it is a toll that may have been rushed to the market (I knew that before we bought it).

It does indeed have its issues at the momment and a few annoying ones at that. But I'm of the mind set that all these things will be repaired with updates and upgrades as more info trickles into Accini. We need to give the company time to evolve the softwear.

I for one am glad we bought it when we did, because once the bugs are worked out, the machine will indeed cost 30k to buy.

I enjoy getting free updates and softwear enhancements at no charge becuase of the fact we bought early on in the game and are "preffered customers".

Given time I belive the tool will be a very good machine.

There are too many people in this world that just don't understand this, and are to fast to throw in the towel.

The other shops that have had isses, please post them, so maybe we can all work together to get the issues resolved. Ther is no point in keepin the issues to yourself..NOTHING will get fixed.

 

Yes there is a learning curve. No tool is perfect. Not even factory ones.
I received a phone call from Italy this morning from Giovanni himself to assist with the Lamborghini update I had a small problem with.
I don't ever recall anyone taking service that far. All I can say is thank you.
Also,Nick could not be more helpful. He consistently follows up if we have any concerns until they have been resolved.
Thank you Nick and Giovanni.

To use third hand information to discredit someone 's product in public is not fair in my opinion. Reminds me of highschool.

Karl Troy

 

The Auto-Enginuity with the Euro package does A/M

 

I'm not sure it's much different than the Autoxray AX6000 I have now.

 

Correct. I don't work on to many Aston's...But the customer base seems to be growing. Many of my customers have moved from Ferrari to Aston in the last year. Beautiful cars they are. But damn..another expensive scan tool?? May not be worth it.

We have 100k tied up in Autologic alone (Porsche, Volvo, Mercedes..including Sprinter,BMW, Jaguar, Land Rover etc). The Tech 2 for GM, Star tester for Chrysler, 20k in the Lenanardo, and antoher 10 for the Pico scope for the fiberoptics in the Audi's, Bimmer, and Benz'os..geez when is the bleeding gonna stop?? These tools are getting outa hand price wise, but damn you MUST have them if your gonna fix cars.

 

I have never used the Autoxray AX6000 so I can't compare its capabilities to other tools. I use the Autoenginuity quite regularly and it does have bi-directional capabilities on both the engine control and ABS sidefor A/M. I don't work on many Aston Martins (1) but have found the bi-directional capabilities of this tool to be quite good.

As I am sure you know, there isn't a single tool answer when it comes to diagnostics. Most of us own several tools inorder to obtain the coverage we need.The aftermarket trade will be in much better shape when the manufacturers stop producing stand alone tools and simply produce software that works with the J-2534 standard and use a pass-through device to interface.

 

Amen!!

 

Hi David,

I would firstly like to share my concern on you feeding through third party information (without being aware of the full story) and judgement on a product you have never tried or seen.

Because you have started it, it is my obligation to give the rest of the forum members our side of the story in regards to ‘one of the folks’ that contacted you from far far away...

Yes he purchased the unit in July knowing that we were still under development and part of the language was in Italian (because of that he also got a very good discount). And was made well aware that, regardless of the leaflet, neither multimeter nor oscilloscope was going to be available until late 2011.

Within 10 days the first update was sent. Unfortunately he was not able to load the update even after several e-mails and phone calls explaining how to carry out the correct updating procedure.

We offered him several time to send one of our engineer to him (about 3 hours by plane from Italy) but the offer was refused.

We then offered him to come over to Italy (we would have taken care of all travel and accommodation expenses too) to get his Leonardo unit repaired or replaced if needed and at the same time run a full day course for him on how to correctly use Leonardo.

Finally one day, due to a visit in England we have managed to get one of our engineers from Red Dot Racing in London to meet up with him and trying to load up the update on his Leonardo unit.

Well the unit updated correctly the first time. We still don’t know to this day what he could have done wrong not to be able to run a simple update.

Yes the battery life is not good at all and with the new year will be dramatically improved (I won’t go technical now).

At times Leonardo could come up with error codes without description. If this was the case by calling or e-mailing us we would give our client the full error definition and at the same time update his unit.
That is how we can make Leonardo a better product every day: by sharing information with our customers.

If we are not aware of a fault, we can’t try fixing it.

I hope I haven’t been too harsh on this subject, if I have, please, accept my apologies.

I would also like to take this chance to wish you all a VERY MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A FABULOUS NEW YEAR.

ACCINNI

 

Thanks Nick and thanks Augusto for elaborating on the UK troubled fellow.

Since I now have the Lamborghini diagnostics handled for the forseeable future, I trust you will let me know when the system is full bore on the new model Ferrari and Maserati.

Frankly my concerns may have not have been completely founded but I had to make a decision on my business needs and since you guys changed your mind on letting me try one out it pushed me away and towards the LDAS32/LARAS CF system.
If I had been able to try the unit and liked it I would have most certainly bought the Leonardo before the year end instead of the Lambo unit as they are virtually the same price after I bought all software, parts manuals, hardlock keys, etc.

I'd still be interested in demo'ing one.

 

Can clutch adjustment (clutch new value) be performed?

 

Yup.

Taz
Terry Phillips

 

Let me know when you are coming through Austin.