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  1. ferrari4204

    ferrari4204 Karting

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    I went out to start my 360 yesterday and for some reason i couldn't get the alarm to disengage. The light was blinking on the dash and when I pressed the button on the alarm the light came on as well. I went ahead and dropped a new battery in the fob and still nothing. Has anyone had this happen before? Is there any process I need to follow to start the car without disengaging the alarm? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Car is an 01 spider if that matters.

    Happy new year.
    Cory
     
  2. ttdang123

    ttdang123 Formula Junior

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    Is your alarm LED on the car dash stayed on when you tried to disarm? if yes, then you need the replace the Alarm siren module with either:

    1) GM part: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302252

    2) F part; or

    3) Modify it to connect to external batts.

    Good Luck
     
  3. ferrari4204

    ferrari4204 Karting

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    Thanks for the reply, the light just continued to blink as it normally does. I did not unlock the car ar try to start it, I just left it as it was. If in fact the module needs to be replaced does that mean the car in inoperable until this matter is resolved??
     
  4. ttdang123

    ttdang123 Formula Junior

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    #4 ttdang123, Dec 30, 2010
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    If you know the alarm pin code, you can start the car using the pin code.

    The procedure can take some trials to get used to. The process is in the car manual
     
  5. ferrari4204

    ferrari4204 Karting

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    Fortunately I have everything that came with the car so I think I can find the pin code. I will take a look at the manual and see what happens. Thanks again for your help
     
  6. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #6 tazandjan, Dec 30, 2010
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    Cory- If your Alarm Siren is the problem, which it sounds like it is, normal operation will not normally be affected and you should be able to start and drive the car. If the siren is going bad, using the PIN to start the car may not be possible because the procedure uses the flashes of the LED. Here is a checklist on how to start the car with PIN and key only.

    Taz
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  7. Juri

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    #7 Juri, Dec 30, 2010
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    Terry, thanks a lot for the write-up of procedures for programming the alarm ECU using alarm remote Fobs. This is a very nice reference.
    We all should consider developing a repository of such kind of files for ready access.

    I should also note that there are 3 additional discussion threrads on this same topic going on now:

    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=302252
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=111884
    http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=307618

    We should try keeping those discussions linked somehow ...
    Cheers.
     
  8. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #8 tazandjan, Dec 30, 2010
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    Juri- It took a bunch of guys to figure out how all this stuff works, plus some hints from Brian Crall, who has done dozens of Alarm ECU reprogrammings and siren repairs (not recommended) and swaps. There is also a thread on cloning fobs in tech q&a that has details on that procedure and I also keep my latest programming document current in that thread. I have a similar document on Ferrari batteries, but it needs to be updated to include Braille batteries.

    Your work on the relays has been very valuable. Is the F1 30 amp relay you have in FerrariAds way tougher than the original? I have been sending guys to you when they have relay questions. I know at one time you had 50 amp relays that fit the 30 amp receptacle, but have not seen those for a while. My car, luckily, came with a 50 amp relay.

    Curt is the one who found the GM sirens, a great solution.

    Taz
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  9. ferrari4204

    ferrari4204 Karting

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    Terry,

    I was hoping you would chime in on this. Thanks for your response and the attachment. True to Ferrari form this looks simple...Hopefully I can find the alarm pin and give it a shot.

    Cory
     
  10. ferrari4204

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    Juri,

    Thanks for posting the link, sorry for staring a new thread on a obviously well covered topic. I read through the threads and it seems the common problem was noticed because the alarm LED was constantly lit and not flashing as it should be. My alarm light is flashing and not constantly lit. I was under the impression that it might have something to do with a low battery because the car has been sitting for 2 weeks without being started. I know I should have the tender connected but unfortunately I live in a highrise in Chicago and there are not accesible power outlets for me. I guess what I am asking is if the battery was in fact close to drained would that affect the triggering of the alarm or will the siren need to be replaced as it obviously occurs frequently.

    Cory
     
  11. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #11 tazandjan, Dec 30, 2010
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    Cory- The Alarm LED flashes all the time when the car is sitting. It goes out when you disarm the alarm with the fob and should be off when you drive the car. Normally, a car with a good battery should be able to take 2 weeks without starting with no problem. Over two weeks, and I put mine on the CTEK.

    Taz
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  12. frvett

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    I have a 2000 - 360 and with all the problems with the alarm batteries going bad. My question is should I go ahead and change out them befor they damage the printed board. I have the original ones in the unit 10 years and still operating OK. I would go ahead and cut it open and put an external source.

    Thanks for your opinion.
    Peter
     
  13. Juri

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    Once the battery starts to leak, it will most likely damage the electronics inside, as it did in my car. I tried to repair it and install the extenal battery, but to no avail...
    Now, I am waiting to receive a GM part and will post a report upon installation.

    Therefore, my suggestion is to do the mod as a preventive measure.

    Cheers.
     
  14. bill.jones

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    I have just received an email advising me that my GM Parts alarm module has finally shipped (this had been on back order for a number of weeks). I will also report back to this forum after installation.
     
  15. Juri

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    Yes ! Apparently, a new shipment of these alarms has finally arrived to GM Parts after those have been on a "national backorder list" (as GM parts told me...).

    Looking forward to your report.
     
  16. sidned

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    Cory - have you tried resetting the alarm? When I swapped my siren the alarm went into "panic" mode. The way to clear this is to sit in the car and hold the button on the alarm fob for 30 seconds. This should reset the alarm and worked for me when I had a similar problem.

    For all those swapping their sirens, bear this procedure in mind as I sent back a perfectly good siren because I thought it was at fault when it was actually the system going into panic mode.

    Hope this helps.
     
  17. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Darren- Did you use the battery disconnect switch before changing the siren?

    Taz
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  18. ferrari4204

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    Turns out my problem was a dead battery and nothing related to the alarm, which i guess is a blessing. My owners manual is in the boot which I need to open manually, can someone tell me how I can open the front boot manually?

    Cory
     
  19. ferrari4204

    ferrari4204 Karting

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    I found the latch for the trunk. It will be interesting to see if the battery is the original POS or if it has been changed. If it has been changed I will charge that one to see if it works. If it is the original I will replace it. I am assuming the interstate or the oddessey are the best choices still??

    Cory
     
  20. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    #20 tazandjan, Dec 31, 2010
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    Cory- Affirmative. Ferrari was actually using Braille batteries here lately, but some people have had bad experiences with them. The Interstate is the best deal, I have an MTP-91 in my car, and the Odyssey is the overkill, and heavy, alternative.

    Taz
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  21. lukek

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    Tazandjan, you are awesome. I have searched the threads on this topic, and see you helping out every few months.

    I got my ferrari 360 with one black fob only. There was a handwritten pin, but it did not work when i did the key sequence dance. Update....for those who will try to do this by the book:

    -dealers, or maranello now charge u$ 500 for obtaining the pin (service fee), and then another 500 for 3 new remotes. Add the labor charge. It will work, assuming that this is the first time you overwrite. Otherwise....new boards, and even more moolah.

    I will try to clone my one slave remote first, and then....find an excuse to drop in on my acquaintance at the ferrari records department. There has to be a work conference nearby.

    In the meantime...the guy who cloned my ducati key might be able to clone mine, once i get the remote from the remote superstore.
     
  22. sidned

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    No. I simply disconnected the old siren and reconnected the new one. Maybe I should have disconnected the battery first... :(
     
  23. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Darren- On late model Ferraris, it is always advisble to disconnect the battery every time an electrical component is changed, as you discovered. In this case, the car thought you were trying to steal it.

    Taz
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  24. brian.s

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    FYI, GM part has now become very difficult to find, I think I just got the last one out of SC. GM says discontinued!
     
  25. ttdang123

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    With a lot of C06 corvettes out there, I would think its replacement must be in place already?
     

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