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Ferrari 365 P Paris Motor Show 1966

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  1. bigodino

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    When doing some literature research on s/n 8815 and s/n 8971 I noticed that there are numerous differences between early pictures of s/n 8971 (when it was unveiled in 1966) and later pictures of this same (?) car. I also noticed that Jean-Pierre Gabriel in his book "Dino - Les autres Ferrari" mentions that there are three examples of this famous three seater show car.

    The differences are so many that it's almost illogical that Pininfarina would have executed them on one chassis but ofcourse it's possible. So what's the consensus on this one - two or three examples? If there are three then what's the third car's s/n?

    Best regards, Peter

    p.s. I will scan some pictures to show the differences later
     
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    #2 bigodino, Feb 9, 2008
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    First difference:

    Number of slots in bonnet. Original car (insert on the right): eleven slots. Later car: twelve slots.

    Second difference:

    Indicator lights. Original car: set in the nose below the headlights. Later car: fixed on top of the bumpers.
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    Third difference:

    Fuel filler cap. Original car (insert left): filler set in the side window. Later car: filler aft of the side window set in the body.
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    #5 bigodino, Feb 9, 2008
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    Fifth difference: slots in rear of engine cover.

    Original car has no slots. Later car (picture) has six slots along the edge exactly the same as s/n 8815. The later car also (briefly?) sported a chromed spoiler exactly like s/n 8815. The later car also has a rear view mirror like s/n 8815. The Ferrari script on the rear is also different (original car had no script).
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    Ninth difference: vents in sills.

    The original car (insert) had no vents in the sills. The later car has five vents on each side exactly like s/n 8815.
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    Tenth difference: air inlets in lower part of the nose.

    The original car (insert) has two smaller air inlets with a broader singular on set further back. With the later car the singular air inlet seems to merge with the two smaller ones.
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    Last differences: rears.

    The original car (left) has different rear lights. Also the edge of the engine cover has a small rectangular recessed shape (push button?) on the original car whereas the later car has a chrome lock between two rectangular shapes (slots?)

    On the original car the exhausts protrude from two separate holes whereas on the later car there is just one broad hole. Also the exhaust pipes have a different shape and are set closer together on the later car.

    It must be noted that the very early Pininfarina pictures show no exhausts at all. The webbed wheels (second picture) were used only briefly: for certain at the Paris Salon in 1966 and probably also at a show in the USA in early 1967 (Detroit?).

    My theory is as follows: the original car is not s/n 08971. It could be an earlier s/n older than s/n 08815. Almost all the different details of the later car (08971) are copied from 08815, even for a short period the rear spoiler was there.
    Any thoughts are welcome!

    Best, Peter
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    I just noticed that the spinners on the wheels of the original car are different from the ones on the webbed wheels as well as those on the later car.
     
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    Hello Friends. Has the title says im looking for documentation (photos, articles etc) on the 365 P that was on display at the Paris Motorshow in 1966. Can anywone hep me out?

    Thank You

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    There were 2 built. Lou Chinetti said that there were a lot of differences between them as he restored his.

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    The one in Europe got the stainless rear wing, to hold it down......scary aerodynamics, I guess....

    R&T did a Salon??????
     
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    As I recall, the one that came here was the one built for Gianni Agnelli, and had an electric clutch for his gimpy leg. Someone out there will remember the S/N's of the two cars.
     
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    The Agnelli car was the silver one. I like this one better without the rear wing. Nice photos Ed, as usual.

    Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2011-Chicago April 2011
     
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    The Agnelli car is 8815
     
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    #18 F1tommy, Jul 1, 2010
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    The white Paris Autoshow car is #8971. It has a 2600mm wheelbase and was completed at the end of September 1966. #8815 was completed in August 1966.

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    Especially the first picture clearly shows the webbed spokes on the wheels. Something it didn't have at the PF introduction pictures and it doesn't have them today either. But there are many differences between how the car was when it was first photographed by PF and how it became later.
     
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    Is the white car the same car? looks like the fuels filler migrated from the rear butress to a new location going through the glass.
     
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    The white car, s/n 8971, went through a number of changes. Why I haven't been able to find out. For instance it was fitted at one time with the same rear spoiler as s/n 8815 but this has been removed since. The wheels have changed, the number and placing of ventilation slots, the fuel filler relocated etc.
     
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    Any mention of the 365P brings to mind the classic Russell Brockbank cartoon from R&T, in which a 365P is pulled onto the shoulder near a sign pointing to Roma, with the suave European gentleman owner at the wheel, both doors wide open, and two female companions fighting over which of them will win his favor. Oh, to have his problems! Fred
     
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    A have that issue. Very funny.

    I had never noticed the extra web on the wheels before. Half the early photos have them and half don't. I like it better without.

    Tom Tanner/Ferrari Expo 2011-Chicago April 2011
     
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    Budd Keeney's old car-8815, was built on a modified LM chassis and is a SUBSTANTIALLY different car than Lou's car which is based on a 365P2/3 chassis and has a 4.4 motor.

    I child hood friend's dad was a builder of the LM based car, and I've been up close and persona; with the P2/3(as I call it), while they appear similar, this is where the similarities end-in appearances.
    LMs handle...well, it is an LM....the other is a different car, entirely
    BOTH are hugely interesting editions of coachbuilkt "road" cars which started life as REAL rtacing cars, later to be used as styling and technical exercises...These 2 cars really mark the end of the era for this sort of thing.
    Glickenhaus's DINO would fall into this rarified air...they-Ferrari-pretty much didn't do this sort of thing after these few cars and as THE 275 Series passed into the Daytona/FIAT ownership era, as liability for FIAT was simply waaaay too unacceptable.
    "Neat" cars....
     
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