Bradan 550 service project | Page 3 | FerrariChat

Bradan 550 service project

Discussion in 'Bradan' started by BRADAN, Dec 29, 2010.

This site may earn a commission from merchant affiliate links, including eBay, Amazon, Skimlinks, and others.

Page 3 of 4
  1. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Thank you.

    No. A proper repaint would cost 15-20k in comparison to $1,750 for a custom paint correction.
     
    BRADAN, Jan 6, 2011
    #51
  2. DonJuan348

    DonJuan348 F1 Rookie Owner

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2008
    Messages:
    4,442
    Location:
    Taxing Jersey
    Something I never understood, why a Ferrari paint job cost so much. Its just a car.

    After doing a few complete restoration which these usually don't require, I figure a quality job takes about 44 labor hours avg. body shop labor rate $75-$125 which translates to $3000-$5000
    materials and paint being generous is maybe $2k
    total : $7k
    this is how I arrive at it...

    day 1: 8 hours to disassemble (all trim,bumpers and doors disassembled)
    day 2: 8 hours to do bodywork (on Ferraris is usually minimum) and prep for paint(sealer coat)
    day 3: 4 hours to prime coat
    day 4: cure
    day 5: 4 hours to paint
    day 6: cure
    day 7: 4 hours clear coat
    day 8: cure
    day 9: 8 hours wet sand and buff
    day 10 8 hours to re-assemble
     
    Last edited: Jan 7, 2011
    DonJuan348, Jan 7, 2011
    #52
  3. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    I'm afraid your time estimates are far off. This paint correction alone was 50+ hours of labor. Removing glass alone without breaking is over 8 hours in labor. I would count in months not days how long the full process takes.

    To avoid overspray, tape lines, etc, the car must be fully stripped to a shell. This is what a 550 looks like mid way through a full color change.
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    BRADAN, Jan 7, 2011
    #53
  4. DonJuan348

    DonJuan348 F1 Rookie Owner

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2008
    Messages:
    4,442
    Location:
    Taxing Jersey
    That is like from off resto which most of these cars do not need . But if they did then I would agree.

    A tear down and tape of some areas is usually what is necessary for the majority. Each car requires a different amount of tear down. I always aim to paint so there is little to no evidence of paint work.
    I've done to frame off restorations which is what I consider the 550 pictured then labor hours are about double . Having to repair cancer spot thorough fabrication of parts , that is where I consumed the time

    I changed the on a friends 430 took only about 2 hrs .

    I was just curious to see how someone arrived at astronomical numbers for basically a straight re paint. Nothing against you, I enjoy seeing your work . I believe you have set a standard amongst the F chat community
     
    DonJuan348, Jan 7, 2011
    #54
  5. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Most people would not be satisfied with a $5,000-8,000 paint job on a Ferrari. Materials alone for a full car will run roughly 2,500-3,000. You would have to leave the windows in, tape trim, and spray over the old paint. On something like a challenge car, that would be fine. On a street car, you can do it but it forces you to cut corners and give a car back less then perfect.

    If you go back to our F355 paint correction, you can see the wet sanding process was 20-30 hours. Rushed work leaves you with inconsistent paint meter readings, orange peal, and sanding marks in the finish. This is why we take photos to show the owner and community what they are paying for and how much work it really takes.

    With that said, I'm not saying you cannot paint a car on a budget. But I think any shop reading this can agree sometimes you have to turn down work even if you can do it to maintain your reputation.
     
    BRADAN, Jan 7, 2011
    #55
  6. DonJuan348

    DonJuan348 F1 Rookie Owner

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2008
    Messages:
    4,442
    Location:
    Taxing Jersey
    I agree about rushed work . Glad I'm able to do it myself .

    Just seemed high to me. Especially when I've done complete show quality off frame restorations for less
     
    DonJuan348, Jan 7, 2011
    #56
  7. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    BRADAN, Jan 7, 2011
    #57
  8. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Reving on dyno before bypass pipes.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uuhVElJdzY&feature=player_embedded[/ame]

    Dyno test 0-150 mph

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO_RGmSMZlA&feature=player_embedded[/ame]
     
    BRADAN, Jan 7, 2011
    #58
  9. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    BRADAN, Jan 7, 2011
    #59
  10. sjmst

    sjmst F1 Veteran Lifetime Rossa

    Joined:
    Jul 31, 2003
    Messages:
    9,854
    Location:
    Long Island, NY
    Full Name:
    Sam
    Your work is amazing. Perfection and attention to detail is (almost) a lost art.
     
    sjmst, Jan 7, 2011
    #60
  11. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    BRADAN, Jan 10, 2011
    #61
  12. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    BRADAN, Jan 10, 2011
    #62
  13. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    BRADAN, Jan 10, 2011
    #63
  14. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    BRADAN, Jan 10, 2011
    #64
  15. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI1SX-FAwhQ&feature=player_embedded[/ame]
     
    BRADAN, Jan 10, 2011
    #65
  16. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50mVCFmZ0mE[/ame]
     
    BRADAN, Jan 10, 2011
    #66
  17. 308 GTB

    308 GTB F1 World Champ Rossa Subscribed

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2002
    Messages:
    11,758
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Full Name:
    Barry Wolinsky
    Danny,

    As I mentioned in the 456/550/575M Forum, these are significant and much appreciated dyno results. Your straight pipes are the easiest and most cost-effective way to realize HP and torque gains for the 550 which suffers from a restrictive center resonator as I've pictured below.

    I had my straight pipes fabricated and installed two years ago after doing much research on the subject and noted the improvement on my first drive with them.

    Thank you for finally making straight pipes available to 550 owners.

    Barry
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
    Image Unavailable, Please Login
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    308 GTB, Jan 10, 2011
    #67
  18. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    BRADAN, Jan 11, 2011
    #68
  19. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    BRADAN, Jan 11, 2011
    #69
  20. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    BRADAN, Jan 11, 2011
    #70
  21. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    BRADAN, Jan 11, 2011
    #71
  22. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ BANNED

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2009
    Messages:
    22,661
    Location:
    West Babylon, NY
    Full Name:
    BRADAN
    Last edited by a moderator: Sep 7, 2017
    BRADAN, Jan 11, 2011
    #72
  23. Mr.Chairman

    Mr.Chairman F1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2008
    Messages:
    2,987
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Full Name:
    Robbie

    Greetings.. I respectfully disagree with your materials assesment.. If your spraying Glasurit or PPG (quality paint systems) your looking at around $1,500.00 for your materials.. plus or minus a few.. the parts that baffles me is the time your spending wet sanding.. 20-30 hours is way too much time.. I would think you would remove all the material your applying plus you will be compromising the UV protectant in the material that you applied. 20-30 hours on a paint correction without re-spay; I would be concerned.. Paint on sheetmetal is paint on sheetmetal... The base coat and clear coat is the same standard for every car with the exception of the new technology that is used to apply clear in the factory.. Place on as a powder then baked to liquify , harden clear.. You can only block / sand so much off.. I love your work, it looks great but.. with that much time you should be down to the primer.. If that 20-30 hours includes you disassembly, that is something different.. It does not add up for me..

    R
     
    Mr.Chairman, Jan 12, 2011
    #73
  24. DonJuan348

    DonJuan348 F1 Rookie Owner

    Joined:
    Aug 5, 2008
    Messages:
    4,442
    Location:
    Taxing Jersey
    I had some of the same thoughts. I haven't used PPG so I didn't know the price ranges .I use house of colors or dupont I can not imagine PPG would be any different to work with .

    I found most of mi time was spend cutting off and welding back new quarter panel, cutting out and replacing floor/trunk boards. Or sandblasting . Most exotic need little to no body repair . It's basically a re spray of the exterior and some jams but I wouldn't see the need to re spray the engine compartment, trunk , floorboards or inside roof.
     
    DonJuan348, Jan 12, 2011
    #74
  25. Mr.Chairman

    Mr.Chairman F1 Rookie

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2008
    Messages:
    2,987
    Location:
    New Jersey
    Full Name:
    Robbie
    Unless your changing color..

    House of colors is pretty expensive but that would be for a special 1 off color.. or should I say a non production color.. I would not use house of color for regular production colors. Its good.. but Glasurit, PPG, Sikkens, Spies, etc.. is some good sh*t.. and ofcourse using the name brand clear, reducer, hardeners etc.. is super important..
     
    Mr.Chairman, Jan 12, 2011
    #75
Page 3 of 4

Share This Page