Good days to you all.. I am looking for a way to purchase the Technical(Repair) Manual for 2010yr FERRARI 599 GTB Fiorano. NOT the owner's manual... I'd really appreciate it if you would inform me where I can either purchase or get a CD(or book). It'd be very helpful... Thanks you all and have a great day..
CID - Criminal Investigation Division? Please fill in your profile. Folks here like to know something about the person they are talking to. Thanx in Advance. Don't know about the 599 Workshop Manual. You can try Ricambi (Daniel) a Sponsor here. He might be able to locate one. Be prepared to spend some good coin. The newer and classic manuals are rather expensive.
It is all online in Modis for the later cars. Doubt it exists like the CDs for the cars through the 430/612 or so, both of which I have. Might be a 2007 floating around out there somewhere, but I have not seen one yet. Duplicate thread. Taz Terry Phillips
Mark- Buy a Ferrari authorized dealership, I guess. Not sure if anybody else has access. Taz Terry Phillips
In the US Terry's plan is the only way. In the EU they are required to provide the service to businesses in the trade but I suspect the subscription is spendy. US law actrually requires the same thing but no one enforces it. Modis was great When it worked. I think their IT guys got their training from an ad in the back of a comic book. It was a disaster.
If you think thats bad you should see the crap they reserved for us. I think the servers were all old USSR surplus. Come to think of it I bet the IT guy was too.
Brian- I know you can print from Modis, but was there any way to download anything to a disc that was then usable on another system? Somehow I doubt it, but thought I would ask. Taz Terry Phillips
No. That was a design goal. Like anything I suppose there are ways around it. There was software that could go straight to a drive but I could not then copy or down load. Do you remember Get Smart? Remember the cone of silence? Designed to keep secrets but prevented any communication? That pretty well defined Ferrari's attempts at preventing the spread of technical information. They are hurting themselves far more that anything positive they are achieving. But that is the Italian way.
Worth posting too that all the old cd's _CAN_ be upgraded to work on Windows 7 and even 64-bit machines. The way to achieve this is via a MANUAL install. Don't use the setup.exe on the cd, install by extracting all the files and manually installing them then registering all the .ocx's manually via a command line console window. I've also done a patch to stop the crappy (written in visual basic) app complaining about not having a really old version of pdf viewer installed everytime you run it if ppl are interested...
Trev- All the ones I have run on Windows 7, so somebody has already done it. Brian- Thanks, that is what I thought. Taz Terry Phillips
The cost of repairs is going to make the newer cars worthless on the used market, in my opinion. Look at the latest FML, 550's for 60k with less than 30k miles. George
And that is one of the unintended consequences of what they are doing and specifically one of the things I meant when I said they are hurting themselves. One of the financial aspects that made owning these cars acceptable for many was that resale would net a substantial portion of what was originally paid so the overall cost makes sense. That is rapidly changing and it is not all driven by the current economy. Even before the economy took a dive I was seeing long time Ferrari owners going to other makes in droves. It is also partially responsible for so many to go back to earlier models and was pushing prices up on the 80's cars. Those long lines at the dealers will be much shorter when the economy gets back on track. Your particular example though I would disagree with. I think the 550 is just going through a natural Ferrari price cycle adjusted by the state of the economy. It is a very easy car to maintain technically and in fact not all that expensive either unless you believe that dribble written by Mike Sheehan. 15 year old 250's were worthless too.
It's cool you've been able to patch this application. How did you do that? I have the same issue with the application trying to start an old version of the Acrobat Reader. Thanks.
As 360Tev wrote, to extract the setup files you can proceed as follows: - Get ICOMP.EXE (easy to find on the net) - create a local folder, let say c:\test and copy the _setup.1 file from your original disk to the c:\test folder - open a command window (type CMD) et go to the c:\test folder - type: icomp c:\test\_setup.1 -d -i - files will be decompressed into 2 subfolders c:\test\group1 and c:\test\group2 - now you can copy all these files together into one folder let say c:\Program Files\Ferrari - to register the ocx files located in c:\Program Files\Ferrari, type: Regsvr32 WebSrvF.ocx and do this for each ocx file. stef
Despite the instructions I gave above, the best way is not to need anymore the original software at all which is a real piece of... For instance, I've been able to crack the encrypted source files and I wrote some software which exported all the files of the entire WSM which is now running as plain html pages. I can now use any web browser to browse through the entire file structure and of course, this works whatever the OS is. I copied all the files on a USB smart card and can run the WSM on any computer Finger in the noise... With my piece of code, I should be able to do the same with all the WSM's of all the latest models.
Your right, the copy protection is trivial and wasn't really designed to stop anyone with even a little bit of knowledge. The developers left a back door in it! Basically all the original files are encrypted on the cd and when the program starts it sets up a local host web server (started from one of the OCX's.) which loads and decrypts them on the fly for each page request. Its entire job is to just wait for web page requests, load, decrypt and pass on to the main app which is an embedded internet explorer window. All the files are stored in their original names on the CD so its quite simple to use some tool like wget (web get) in a dos batch file to extract out all of the original files by using the output of the dir command as the input to the wget command. A trivial batch file can extract every single file back into plaintext by simply knowing the localhost port number on which the local web server is running. I cannot remember which one it was now of the top of my head but you can easily see this from most good firewalls or web traffic tracing/debugging tools. You haven't "cracked" anything with this approach and yet you've extracted every single image, html, etc. back to plain text. I assume you've just done this?
As an aside (if your interested) simply download, install and run the trial edition of HTTPAnalyzerV6.. There are many like this, this tool just allows you to see the web page requests to and from apps running on your computer. I.e. from a web server to your web browser. Very useful when your trying to see how long a web server is taking to respond to page requests. Here's an example of the get request being made from the Ferrari vb app and the ocx (using the Challenge Stradale CD); -- GET /F131_H_E/dt/mo/descri.htm HTTP/1.1 Accept: application/x-ms-application, image/jpeg, application/xaml+xml, image/gif, image/pjpeg, application/x-ms-xbap, application/vnd.ms-excel, application/vnd.ms-powerpoint, application/msword, */* Referer: http://127.0.0.1:8500/F131_H_E/dt/mo/index.htm Accept-Language: en-GB Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; Trident/4.0; SLCC2; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 3.0.30729; Media Center PC 6.0; InfoPath.2; .NET4.0C; .NET4.0E; MS-RTC LM 8) Host: 127.0.0.1:8500 Connection: Keep-Alive -- The most important elements to observe is the get request path, which is identical to the path on the cd and the host PORT number, its 8500. Simply knowing this you can point your web browser at this and view the ORIGNAL web pages & images in plaintext. So.... With the Ferrari app running simply cut and paste the below url; http://127.0.0.1:8500/F131_H_E/dt/mo/index.htm And Volia... your viewing all the pages in the comfort of your own browser, not using the ferrari app at all. (It must still be running in the background however). I wasn't even trying to do this, it was my firewall that told me the port number. so when I pointed my browser at this I discovered this by accident without even looking. No cracking, no patching, no hassle. Hence my assertion this is a backdoor left in by the original developers. . Taking this a stage further a web get tool (or an automated web site downloader tool) can travese all pages and extract them all back in plain text for viewing with a plain browser. Image Unavailable, Please Login
One thing I must stress about the above. You must still keep hold of your original cd and dongle if you extract the original content in this way. Otherwise you don't legally own the right to that content. Since there was absolutely no 'hacking, cracking, reverse engineering or modifying of the original code' nobody has done anything wrong, all we've done is discover the backdoor left in by the original developers and use it to view the content without rights management. This works ok for the service manuals but you still don't have access to the electrical wiring without going through the original tool. Yes you can extract all the original files using the same techniques (all cd's and all parts use the same approach) but its compatibility with the latest browsers and the way they edited the original SVG images is now where the problem lies. You can ofcourse fix the compatiblity in each file but that would require manual editing of each file (or you could write a tool to do it if your really bored! )...
