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  1. Phenom

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    The organisers seems adamant that the race will infact go through though.

    I think the race will go through but the test is unsure atm.

    Really hoping it settles down in the coming weeks.
     
  2. Phenom

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    #52 Phenom, Feb 18, 2011
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    Nevermind it was just a different placement on the sponsor
     
  3. Ferraripilot

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    Bob Bell running technical things now. The plot thickens....
     
  4. Phenom

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    ..In april that is ;)

    came to the party slightly late.
     
  5. Ferraripilot

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    Yeah I agree with you there, but when did Nico say the car is a lemon or use like rhetoric? Schu is the only one I can see who said things may not be right while Nico has always praised his comfortability in the car. Maybe I'm missing something.
     
  6. Wolfgang5150

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    So Redbull finishes 1 sec ahead of Ferrari. MB 3 seconds behind that?
    Wow
     
  7. Modena360-66

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    Well, we don't know what the others were testing,
    But we know Schum has made a race simulation so we have a fair information of the Mercedes pace.

    Let's see if someone else does a simulation to compare.

    It seems the teams were not looking for performance today.
     
  8. Phenom

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    The fastest laptimes are the LEAST useful information you can get from test days.

    By a mile. And i´m not sure but Autosport seems to think Vettel might be on SS.
     
  9. tifosi12

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    #59 tifosi12, Feb 18, 2011
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    Yes you are:


    http://www.motorsport-aktuell.com/automobil/rosberg-das-ist-nur-ein-uebergangsauto-3404649.html

    Partial translation:
    After the disappointing test in Valencia, they hoped that W02 would show great lap times at the next test session. But that's not the case: Nico is missing in Jerez 3.254 seconds to leader Massa.

    Rosberg: "This is only a temporary car. It does not have much in common with what we will have in Bahrain. We will make a significant leap forward in Bahrain. The others might also make a step forward, it is impossible to predict anything at this point."
     
  10. Ferraripilot

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    Oh ok yeah I've seen this one. I'm sort of seeing it differently
     
  11. tifosi12

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    Any results from testing are open to interpretation.

    Nico is basically saying what you are saying: That there will be massive improvements for the car by the time they hit the first GP. So you should be happy. :)
     
  12. Modena360-66

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    That's kinda odd though, they started the 2011 development relatively soon, and yet
    the car isn't ready?

    if it isn't ready it's preoccupying, and if it is what's the point of not testing it.

    Something doesn't feel right.
     
  13. tifosi12

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    It is MB we're talking about here. As I said many times before just another Toyota/BMW/Jaguar. They don't know how to make a WDC winning car because they're a giant corporation.
     
  14. Phenom

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    BMW had a terrific car in 08 and if they would have continued development i'm pretty sure they would have a really big chance of snatching the title.
    they led the championship halfway through to.

    toyota and jaguar i can't speak for. toyota even spent more money then any other team.

    now what does that tell us? money is less important than having the right people in your team..
     
  15. Ferraripilot

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    I'm not really sold on this perspective just yet. They just announced Bell on staff and they have the guts to run and take media and fan abuse on essentially a 'plain' and poor performing car hiding their full hand until the last possible moment, well this is how they are advertising it anyway. Should they come out with this aero pack and it's brilliant and competitive, then they will look and be treated as Einstein's racing team. If it's not, then the above which you mentioned may be true soon enough, except for BMW as they really ran hard for a while IMO.

    As for corporate involvement, have a look at Ferrari's car. That has corporate red tape all over the rear end. Had the done the back end 100% properly, they would have gone pull-rod and designed/built and accompanying gearbox. Even in their video of them making the car the address saving funds in finding better and more cost-effective ways of doing things. I don't think anyone doesn't want that.
     
  16. Remy Zero

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    I agree. BMW chickened out, Toyota apologized and went out, which i think was a shame, considering that their last season was one of the best. Toyota's biggest mistake was still calling the shots from Japan, although the team was based in Cologne.
     
  17. Phenom

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    Yea that was incredibly stupid of them to quit work on the 08 and focus on 09 which was a complete disaster.

    The sad part about Toyota is that they never had a single win during all these years..
    I really think their "10 model was something very nice. Looked like a fighter jet.
     
  18. Phenom

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    I don´t think Ferrari was dumb by keeping push-rod really. They are one of the teams which has cleared more space around the rearwing then almost any other car on the grid.
    There are goods and bads with push rod and pull rod suspension.


    The only thing they cannot do as good is that the setup-window is slightly smaller this time.
     
  19. tifosi12

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    Common denominator of BMW, Toyota and MB:

    Germany and it's unions
     
  20. Ferraripilot

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    Sort of relevant I guess. How come Audi can have such amazing success from a supposedly oppressive union then?
     
  21. tifosi12

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    MUCH less expensive racing series. There is a reason they haven't tried the big league of F1
     
  22. Phenom

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    Still Money is not as important as people in F1.
    Otherwise Toyota would have dominated F1 for many years.

    Ferrari in it´s golden era had both. And then some.
     
  23. TifosiUSA

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    What about Renault? Debunks your theory.
     
  24. tifosi12

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    3 comments:
    a) I've said on here many times that they seemed to be the exception in the years they had Alonso.
    b) They are French, not German.
    c) Their glory days seem to have gone with Alonso leaving the team. This year they're now back to being "only" an engine supplier.

    Of course you can ignore my theory, but I'm 100% certain MB will never win a title in F1 and ultimately give it up. Hopefully at that point they will remain as an engine supplier.
     
  25. TifosiUSA

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    I don't think being French or German or Japanese matters, all the teams are usually based in England anyway. Regardless they still did the "impossible" and won titles as a car manufacturer.
     

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