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  1. Phenom

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    #101 Phenom, Feb 25, 2011
    The notorious Merc package will arrive at the final testing at Barcelona.
     
  2. BartonWorkman

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    #102 BartonWorkman, Feb 25, 2011
    Brawn has stated that much of Mercedes-Benz's
    problems in testing have been related to cooling
    issues.

    One wonders, though, how long Haug will take blaming
    all the team's problems on the car.

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/89642

    As for the Championship, we'll be seeing the same
    protagionists as last year obviously. However, the
    pressure has to be more on Vettel as reigning Champion,
    the target is squarely on his back.

    As wildly inconsistent and prone to mistakes as Vettel
    was last year, it's nothing short of a minor miracle that
    he won the Championship.

    If Ferrari gets it's strategy act together and builds a car to
    challenge Red Bull, Alonso must be the favorite.

    BHW
     
  3. Phenom

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    #103 Phenom, Feb 25, 2011
    I can´t see how Vettel can have more pressure then alonso really.

    Vettel joins Red Bull, snatches the title right away. The job is done.

    Alonso joins Ferrari, almost grabs the title, Job not done.
     
  4. Phenom

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    #104 Phenom, Feb 25, 2011
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    Should also be interesting to see which does best in F1, BMW or Mercedes.

    BMW had three years as a goal to take the title. I think the first year 07 they wanted to come third but ended up second due to Mclaren spy affair.

    08, They wanted to get a win which they did in Canada, ended up third
    and in 09 they wanted to go after the title. 09 was a disaster. They later left the circus because of the economic state, but i don´t think that´s the whole story.

    So mercedes,

    First year(´10) they end up fourth,
    Second year i´m sure they would like to get a win
    And third i´m sure they really want the title before the new regulations come in to play.

    It will be alot tougher for Mercedes though since Red Bull just popped up from nowhere and is the dominant force right now. That´s three big teams they have to take on.
     
  5. Ferraripilot

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    #105 Ferraripilot, Feb 25, 2011
    I believe W02 will make a full 1 second leap once the difinitive package is bolted on, however I believe even with this they will be a hair behind RB and Ferrari, but I suspect very competitive with Mclaren. Mercedes is the ONLY team, I repeat ONLY, to have stated from the beginning of testing that they are testing with a 'vanilla' and very basic car. Other teams are obviously not using their difinitive packaging, but none are anywhere near being vanilla and basic as W02. Not even close, which is why I thoroughly believe W02 has a lot more room to improve than say, RB.

    Someone will catch up to RB this season. It's going to be one of the 3: Ferrari, Mcl, or MB. Mark my words (someone sticky this), it will happen this season for one of them.

    from Brawn:
    Mercedes' form has been disappointing for much of winter testing so far, though the team and drivers insisted that this was because of a TACTICAL decision to launch with a 'basic' design to perfect reliability before bringing the final 2011 specification car to the last test.

    "Our intention was always to launch the car in a fairly basic specification to allow more time to focus on the upgrade package. This inevitably means that we look further off the pace than people might expect.



    Completely reasonable statement.
     
  6. Phenom

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    #106 Phenom, Feb 25, 2011
    How about i sticky this instead? :D

    Just because they have more room to improve on doesn´t mean that room will reach up to the big two or even Mclaren.
     
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    #107 Ferraripilot, Feb 25, 2011
    Granted it's not possible to accurately judge what before and after times are in actual qualifying situations, but I have no problem in saying they will be within .3 of the leaders at Melbourne.

    W02 has a huge amount more headway than F150, RB7, F33, Mp4-26, or the Williams car. Everyone is out and about with what is near their race-spec. I have no doubt those guys don't have a ton to gain. I could be completely full of it tho, and so could Brawn. Feel free to heckle me to death then :)
     
  8. Phenom

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    #108 Phenom, Feb 25, 2011
    Yes but it´s logical that Mercedes have more to improve on because they haven´t put the new stuff on the car yet. So it´s completely logical that they have more room then the other teams.

    what´s not logical is that the car will be faster or close to the big three. That will only time tell in Canada even though we might get a glimpse of it in Barcelona.
     
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    #109 Ferraripilot, Feb 25, 2011
    How much quicker would you say RB and Ferrari are then MB at the moment? Maybe .7 (RB) .6 (Ferrari) seconds in qualy spec? This is all conjecture and obviously impossible to tell for sure, but if I had to guess based on all the practice laps I have analysed (I've looked through A TON) I can say this is probably really close. Ferrari and RB have no magic upgrade to make their car yield another second. They are grasping at getting tenths. Maybe I'm an hazardly optimistic.
     
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    #110 Phenom, Feb 25, 2011
    I would say more then what you or me think. the testing times really isn´t anything you can use as a yardstick. In fact i think one of the principals said the fastest time is least useful information you can get from testing days. If you want to see how the teams are doing.

    My thoughts, (which probably are wrong so feel free to bash me aswell later on)

    Red Bull has the qualifying speed which is in it´s own class.
    Ferrari a close second
    Mclaren i think will solve their issues and will give Ferrari a hard time in Qual.

    Race pace wise Ferrari i think has the upper hand just slightly with Red Bull right up there.
    Mclaren is the dark horse at the moment because it seems they haven´t really extracted as much potential as the other teams.

    Then 4-5 teams are a tad below

    the the backmarkers at the back as usual.

    The team i think we should look out for is not MB but Toro Rosso.
     
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    #111 tifosi12, Feb 25, 2011
    +1
     
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    #112 Ferraripilot, Feb 25, 2011
    That double floor thing Toro Rosso has going is very nice.
     
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    #113 TifosiUSA, Feb 25, 2011
    Lol, don't think so...
     
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    #114 tifosi12, Feb 25, 2011
    Wanna bet?
     
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    #115 TifosiUSA, Feb 25, 2011
    Bet what? That Toro Rosso beats MB in the final standings? Absolutely.
     
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    #116 tifosi12, Feb 25, 2011
    Toro Rosso will beat MB in WDC points by the end of the season.

    Case of beer. You're on.
     
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    #117 TifosiUSA, Feb 25, 2011
    Sounds good
     
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    #118 tifosi12, Feb 25, 2011
    Of all the bets I've got going those with you have the least chance of success.

    Oh well, gotta roll the dice once in a while:)
     
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    #119 Ferraripilot, Feb 25, 2011
    I don't bet on fchat. Something about Italian cars and the mob go together, and adding an Italian car website with that just doesn't make sense. I'm likely to find Gino waiting in front of my door with a baseball bat and a rusty nail.
     
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    #120 tifosi12, Feb 25, 2011
    If MS does well this year I'll have to buy a LOT of beer :)
     
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    #121 Ferraripilot, Feb 25, 2011
    No worries. I think he will match Nico but not completely outshine him. It's going to be close....

    I was thinking about which race W02 would have its best shot at winning, and Monza is the one which glared out in my mind. Fast. How ironic would a Schu post-Ferrari win at Monza be. There would be rioting in the streets in Italy
     
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    #122 tifosi12, Feb 25, 2011
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    Interesting. You studied the MB more than anybody but I doubt it'd be Monza: I think the MB will lack aero finesse and Monza is all about being clean in the air.

    I give MB more the unexpected result at a crazy mid speed race.
     
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    #123 Ferraripilot, Feb 25, 2011
    I thought about it a bit. Monza is the place. MB has the highest top speed by a good margin and Monza is about top speed, late braking, and light downforce. And how's this for opposites, I think W02 would do well at Monaco as will due to the short wheelbase. That is of course if they get their aero straightened out -which I believe have in waiting.
     
  24. Phenom

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    #124 Phenom, Feb 26, 2011
    I´m going to say Ferrari at Monza.

    They had almost the the highest top speed last year. Best on the brakes etc.

    I can´t see Merc winning any race (at this point) but will be like BMW in 07 etc where they are just waiting for Ferrari och Mclaren to make a mistake and then come in and pick up the pieces.
     
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    #125 Ferraripilot, Feb 26, 2011
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    MB tested their new simulator yesterday for the first time. Nico mounted up in the thing and he stated he will pretty much be in it all day.


    from Brawn:
    Brawn stated in the AMuS interview that their exhaust solution is unique and not seen on other cars but also less adventurous...... :?
    he also admitted to getting on the wrong track with the sidepod exits which had the wrong position.

    and he also said:


    Brawn:"I do not know what development steps other teams will bring before the start of the season. For us, it will be a big step. "

    Bawn:"But we can still follow up on our exhaust solution. And so far I haven't seen anyone with a solution as the one we plan. Until now we had the exhaust where it was last year."

    who knows what all this means.



    We'll see.
     
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