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How do you know if your clutch is shot?

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  1. Mattnshilp

    Mattnshilp Karting

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    I have an enormously dumb question for everyone!

    How do I know if my clutch needs to be replaced?

    I have been driving stick shift since I was 17 (I'm 39 now) and I have never had a car long enough to need a new clutch....

    My 1999 360 Modena has 25K miles on it (I just got it).I find the clutch to be OK overall, but the stick seams a bit clunky for lack of a better description. It's hard pushing the stick into certain gears and shifting really smoothly required enourmous driving concentration. Clutch, shift, double tap the throttle, release clutch and throttle....

    I would appreciate help from experienced Ferrari drivers.

    I just want to make sure my car doesn't need to be serviced; as it was just serviced prior to my picking it up from the dealer (new belt, oil change, fluids, etc.) And I know all of the upgrades have been done.

    Thanks!

    -Matt
     
  2. big_luke

    big_luke Karting

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    does it hook right up when starting out in first or does it delay a bit when you let off the clutch?

    it could be something else if the clutch engagement is fine but rather a transmission problem maybe

    what about any smells when starting off in first?

    but either way, you want it to be the clutch and not something else.
     
  3. zippyslug31

    zippyslug31 Formula 3

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    My symptom was when up to speed on the freeway in 6th gear you could munch the throttle but the car wouldn't accelerate much. It was a pretty obvious feeling that the clutch was slipping.
     
  4. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    You could have a shifter bushing problem. Numerous threads on that and yours should be about ready at that mileage. Late model Ferrari clutches on three pedal cars usually become very heavy effort as they wear and the geometry goes non-optimal.

    Good news is the fix for the shifter bushing is not that expensive and there are near-permanent fixes with an aftermarket bushing.

    Taz
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  5. SfefVan

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    As Taz wrote, I seriously doubt also a shifter bushing issue or maybe also the cables which aren't ligned up anymore. I had this issue on my manual F430 and the entire shifter/cables/connection has been changed.

    There is a little trick that we all use to find out if the clutch has reached his end of life. Let the car idling and make sure you've enough space in front of the car. Press the clutch pedal, shift in first gear and depress the clutch pedal at once without hesitation. The engine should immediately stall. If it doesn't and the car is "jumping" a bit forwards, your clutch is slipping and need to be replaced.
     
  6. FerrariDublin

    FerrariDublin F1 Rookie

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    Hi Matt, as others have advised, it sounds like you may have an easily addressed problem with a bushing in your gear lever..... here's the thread - if you're handy and have the tools it's a pretty handy job, taking only an hour or two.......http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=249934&highlight=bushing

    Alternatively it could be that your shift cables need a little tweaking but personally I'd probably look at the bushing first.

    Good luck!
     
  7. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Yep, id go bush first! :eek::eek:
     
  8. F430addict

    F430addict F1 Rookie

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    I thought everybody would have learnt by now never to go BUSH first? Lol....kidding. Yes, as much as I hate the character, Bush first for this case.
     
  9. teak360

    teak360 F1 World Champ

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    Pap was NOT referring to the ex-pres.
     
  10. Mattnshilp

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    Ok. Thanks a million!

    Tomorrow I will try to pop the clutch and see if I move forward at all or just stall, as a quick test.

    I already jiggled the stick and there is about 9mm of play left to right, so it sounds like a new bushing is due.

    I am very handy but have never ever worked on a car before. Can I do the bushing change myself, or should I have my dealer do it? It's not the $$, it's the worry I'm gonna mess something expensive up!!

    And I read the other thread; is it just one bushing I need, or two?

    Thanks again. I really hope this smooths out the shifting. It's the only thing I have been disappointed with.

    -Matt
     
  11. FerrariDublin

    FerrariDublin F1 Rookie

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    Yes just one busing. Hill Engineering make a replacement made of metal as opposed to the OEM plastic one - I'm sure there's a link to it in the thread I posted above.

    Yes you can do it yourself - the biggest problem you'll face is keeping your hands clean and preventing any nasty greasy stains on your seats or carpet. You'll enjoy the chore and will have the satisfaction of having done it yourself.
     
  12. andrew911

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    I've never worked on a car before other than a couple of oil changes and other minor stuff....not to be an alarmist, but I'm "experienced" enough to know I wouldn't be comfortible using my ferrari as a starter car to tinker...It's just me, but I'd have my mechanic do it.

    Not sure the popping the clutch thing is the best way to determine clutch life (the procedure seems about as appealing as scratching fingernails down a chalkboard to me)- the best may be to get to an even speed in 6th at about 4,000 rpm, then floor the gas and see if the tach jumps up before acceleration- a tiny bump may be nothing but the full throttle application, but a 500-1,000 rpm jump is the clutch slipping...
     
  13. Mattnshilp

    Mattnshilp Karting

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    All I have to say is THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!!!

    It took a while to get the car in for service. I had them chnage the front brakes/rotors and tires as well (it really needed it).

    But I had them replace that reverse gear bushing with the aftermarket aluminium one. They also cleaned and re-lubed everything, and WHAT A DIFFERENCE!!!!

    The old plastic one was cracked on one side and had tons of play.

    I can't imagine why Ferrari would use such a cheap piece of junk for such a high stress item. But I can sleep soundly knowing it's all metal now.

    Thanks guys!

    And if anyone is going on the Spring Drive at New Hope, PA than I'll see you there.

    -Matt
     
  14. andrewmr

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    Tell us more about this....
     
  15. PAP 348

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    Good to hear Matt!!! :D:D
     
  16. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Matt- I love a happy ending. Especially one that does not cost too much.

    Taz
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  17. ELP_JC

    ELP_JC Formula 3

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    Indeed :). Best way is to get car in gear closest to 1:1 ratio (5th in the 430), close to peak torque (4K is perfect), and floor the gas pedal momentarily while watching the tach. If tach is steady, there's no slip.

    Replied to the bushing DIY thread. Want to do this on my 430 as a precaution, as it's only a matter of time before shifting problems arise. Hopefully somebody who has done it can post any 'gotchas'; otherwise I'll do it :). Will try to do it with the shifter in place, as I don't want to weaken the socket fit underneath the lever. Only issue I might have is the 'punch' for the pin, but I can improvise with a paper clip held in small vise grips. Just need to order the part first. Ricambi, I guess? Thanks.
     
  18. SfefVan

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    That's a very good advise, thanks JC. Will try it out to check how strong my clutch still is.
     
  19. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Even better, place the car in 5th gear, park brake pulled on tight and slowly let the clutch out with some revs like you are taking off.

    If the engine stalls, your clutch is still good. If the engine doesnt stall, your clutch is worn out.

    Simple test you can do, be sure to do it out in the open and do not have anyone or anything in front of the car while performing this test.
     
  20. Chiaroman

    Chiaroman Formula 3
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    Do you mean Press the clutch, shift into first and LIFT the clutch pedal at once without hesitation???
     
  21. Buxton

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    Glad you got that sorted out.


    Pap always goes bush first, kinda like head first!
     
  22. SfefVan

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    Yes I do, just lift the clutch pedal without revving. If you find this to be a bit in the hard way, you can also use JC's or PAP348's advise which works very well too ;)
     

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