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I think you would be correct in saying that. It would definately take on the new Lambo better in the looks department. Super cars can only be one of two things to be successful styling exercises: Incredibily beautiful and elegant Incredibly aggressive looking. It's very hard to do both as they tend to interfer with one another. This race car fits the second one perfectly. I like it a whole lot.
+1000 This racecar looks as kick-ass as the Lemans-winning McLaren F1 GTR - and that sure says a lot!!!
Does anyone think it'll be possible to get bolt on parts to make the 12 C look more like this GT3? I would do that in a heart beat without the huge rear spoiler.
They will probably mirror some of the styling cues into the future lightweight version. As for the car they are offering today, we must put our faith in the tuners as they definitely see an opportunity with all the complaining about its looks.
Very true. Does anyone have an email contact for Peter Frieberger the NA Sales Manager. I'd love to drop him a note about making some exterior aspects of the GT3 available as options for the 12C. It sure couldn't hurt. The styling on GT3 gets my heart pounding like the first time I saw an all black 458, but even more so. I think using some of it's styling aspects on the 12C would increase sales and make me feel confident that they won't restyle the car 2 years into my ownership....which would decrease the value of my car and really suck.
Peter Freiberger's address is: [email protected] I canceled my order on Friday. I have become increasingly frustrated with the US McLaren organization (and lack of factory support) and their seeming inability to answer even the most basic questions. It's a long story and I shall not delve into it further on this forum, but I am done with McLaren for the time being. Perhaps I will reconsider if they ever manage to demonstrate the brilliant ownership experience that has been touted by Mr. Dennis and Mr. Sherrif, but for now, their lack of understanding of customer service has left me frustrated and disappointed to the point that I don't have any desire to throw $280K in their direction. I hope they succeed as this appears to be a brilliant car, but for me the ownership experience starts with the very first contact with the factory, and from that point (Sept 2009) until now, it has been a very underwhelming, and ultimately unsatisfactory, experience. C'est la vie!
Does this mean you will stop going on about Mclaren not kissing your personal butt and go back to Ferrari ? best of luck i'm sure Ron and Co will not loose too much sleep. I appreciate customer service is important but you do go on like a broken record
Found out some good news on the ceramic brakes front. Replacement cost for all 4 rotors should be approx. 6000 British pounds, so probably even less than Porsche, let alone Ferrari. Also, life expectancy 8-10 thousand track miles when tracked heavily.
More about the GT3 spec: http://rumors.automobilemag.com/action-mclaren-reveals-progress-early-plans-mp4-12c-gt3-23449.html
Just sent an email to Peter Freiberger asking if some exterior design elements of GT3 could be added to 12C as options. I love the 12C performance but would like it to be styled....more like the GT3.
However, he is very right. The inability of McLaren to answer basically any questions is truly pathetic and is starting to give me a pause. Ferrari sucks in customer service, but right now McLaren has trouble reaching even this low level.
very good of you,most people would have bought the car,and sold it straight away for a tax free preimum,theres always someone with more cash that dosent like waiting.Good luck with whatever else you choose
Fasthound sounds like a real enthusiast, not a speculator. I'll take 100 enthusiasts over 1 speculator anyday. I think McLaren would feel the same.
With a little persistence I'm getting the info I need through my dealer. Don't care much for factory visit right now - I know that opportunity will come. For now would prefer that they focus on making the cars quickly and more importantly without defects.
Well there is the CCB info as above which I think is very indicative of a company trying to keep parts and maintenance reasonable, so that is nice. I am also under the impression that IRIS is now mandatory, so I would urge others to inquire. Also, IRIS itself does not seem to interface with the suspension settings. That's all for now.
i wonder why the iris has suddenly become mandatory,makes the standard price a bit of a mockery if you have no choice?Is this just in the states?when i specced i definately had the choice,wonder whats changed.good about the ccb,but still going for the steel as i dont think i would get the use
I think Fasthound has been a great contributor to the threads, here, so it is sad to see him go. He did admit, however, that he has several other uses for the cash (i.e. a racecar and trailer) and therefore perhaps not quite as committed to the car as he could be. Which is fine. McLaren has let him down, thus far, so he is justified in pulling out. As for myself, I am definitely more committed and therefore more tolerant, but perhaps, too, I have somewhat lower expectations for certain details. Customer service, for me, is headlined by honesty and so far the company and my dealer have been straightforward with the information they do have. Sure, I wish they had more info at this point, but I am willing to suffer the growing pains to an extent because they are building the entire operation (and the factory itself) from scratch. I can understand if there is no way to visit the factory right now, since they are actually building the new one and the existing one is also used for F1 racing, etc. What would really tick me off is if they gave away my spot in line to someone paying a premium, or if we find out that the performance numbers are nowhere close when tested independently - you know, that kind of stuff. But it would take something seriously disingenuous, like that, to make me outright cancel an order. I just feel that is too drastic a measure considering the new-ness of the whole operation and how favourable the reactions to the actual product itself have been up to this point.
Whenever a company, any company, goes through a massive expansion or tries something completely new, you're going to have unexpected problems no matter how well you think you've figured it out. That will be McLaren's test. Remember you're dealing not just with McLaren, but McLaren's independent dealers -- each of which have their own priorities and business models and none of them have any long term relationship with McLaren themselves. You're going to have mechanics, warranty situations, and parts supply systems that will be working in the "McLaren-way". I'm not saying they will have problems but I've said this many times... it's not as easy to do what they want to do as it seems. In fact, to me it's just crazy (I would have launched in the UK first, the Continent next, and the world after that). Launching everywhere around the world at the same time seems a bit risky to me but they think they pull it off. I think you're going to need a lot of patience but it sounds like you are already prepared for that. It will be interesting to see your reactions over time to the ups and downs.
