Lew-Ham not happy with "one or two" WDC's

He's Alonso's closest competitior. If you put Alonso in this thread title instead of Lewis I'm sure it wouldn't exactly die out either...

 

Bingo!.

 

At least we agree now that Hamilton is definitely faster, the question is only one of degrees.

The funniest part about your comparison between Hamilton/Button/Alonso, is that you originally said it as an insult towards Lewis, suggesting he had barely beaten Button. Yet, when that same margin is suggested for Hamilton over Alonso, you immediately flip-flop and act like the gap was massive.

People "adjusting" their interpretation of facts to let their worldview remain consistent is nothing new - it is quite a bit more amusing when people alter their own worldview in the same thread and use it to argue against the argument they just made.

LOL ^ 100.

 

I realize you don't know much about F1 (evidenced by your not understanding the simple concept of rows on the starting line - a very freshman concept of the sport), but to say Hamilton is the most "arragant" (sic) we've ever seen in F1?

Not even close.

When he deliberately crashes out a competitor to clinch a WDC, you may have an argument, but until then, it's just like a guy who can't stop talking about how much he hate his ex-wife. After listening to it so much that you start to laugh, you start to feel sorry for the guy because you realize he's just really, *really* jealous that she's better off without him.

 

Wow.
"I want to be one of the most successful F1 drivers of this generation so I do want to win more world championships and I think you have to continue winning and prove yourself time after time for people to really know that you are the best.
"I can't say right now that people can say he was clearly the best in the world. I have only been here for four years so I have got a lot more to do."


"I THINK YOU HAVE TO CONTINUE WINNING AND PROVE YOURSELF TIME AFTER TIME...."

Sounds to me like someone who knows he must win a 2nd championship and more after that. I simply don't see what the problem is and I can very much see this answer coming out of many an F1 driver on the current grid and I wouldn't have a problem with it. Even if Alonso said it. Actually for Alonso it would be a big improvement on being the F1 grid snitch and whiner.

 

I think people, and even the drivers, forget how great it is to win one WDC, much less even a single GP. Sure always look to the future with the highest goals but you also have to be reasonable, it's not like each WDC gets easier

 

Someday you will learn to let your arguments however weak stand for themselves whilst being able to use the proper name for whatever driver it is you dislike. Hamilton, Button, Alonso etc.

Being the competitor that Alonso is, he is no doubt pleased with his 2 championships but it unlikely that he feels content with his career to date. To be clear and because you have trouble with your reading comprehension, Alonso will want more championships. It is my opinion that anything less than 4 will leave him quite disappointed. I have no problem with that. It is what makes him a professional F1 driver with a top team and someone like you who is apparently unfamiliar with the professional level of drive unable to put yourself in the shoes of any driver former or present.

 

Knowing that "the front row" is P1 and P2 isn't "knowing everything" anymore than knowing Alonso drives for Ferrari is being an F1 insider. Your standard of knowledge is just too low

As for having the option of taking someone out to win a WDC, do you actually even watch the sport? Hamilton was leading the WDC into the last race of 2008. Massa qualified before him, but was lighter on fuel and pitted earlier, coming out behind Hamilton. There's one incidence of what you claim never happened.

Then we have the year prior, where Hamilton was competing against Alonso and Kimi for the WDC. Hamilton qualified ahead of Kimi, and Kimi Passed Lewis to eventually take the lead. That's a second incidence of what you claim never happened.

 

Who said anything about agreeing that Hamilton is faster? I was simply laughing at how ludicrous your comment was.

Mikey, the funniest part is that you're too stupid to understand what I'm saying. Button (NOT among the top flight of drivers) was only beaten by Hamilton by 26 points. I consider that a small margain considering that I put Button on the tier of a Massa, probably a little slower. You insinuate that Hamilton would beat Alonso by "about" (whatever that means) 26 points. Alonso unquestionably IS in the top flight of drivers and widely regarded as the best of all (by none other than the drivers and team bosses themselves). That is why your statement is so hilarious and really illustrates your lack of common sense on the subject.

Thanks for playing...

 

If you want to talk 2008, Hamilton did not have a crappy race that wasn't his fault (I.E. no car failures). Massa on the other hand, just to name 2, had the pit debacle that cost him a win at Singapore and the engine failure that cost him another easy win at Hungary. Even if the FIA had not meddled with results in Belgium, Hamilton wouldn't have been anywhere close had Felipe not had those mechanical letdowns.

Hamilton did win the WDC but IMO he was out performed by Massa that season, Massa was just robbed. I know the record books state otherwise and Hamilton certainly deserves that title but nonetheless it's pretty hard to ignore how hard Massa got screwed. He should have bagged the title easy.

Barely outscoring Massa despite much better reliability...meh.

 

A very recent and humble interview (22 Mar 2011) with Alonso being asking "Will 2 championships be enough when you look back when your retired and older?", his answer "Absolutely, i will be extremely happy".

I'm thinking Fernando has been reading this thread


Go too 3:30..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcAjE6yl89w&feature=youtube_gdata&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+jaf1%2FUploadsBy2011fernandoalonso+%28Uploads+by+2011FernandoAlonso%29

 

Here's what I said about it on another thread, I think Alonso is much more mature and respectful than people on this board make him out to be

http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=140386483&postcount=16

 

REALLY? (not to jump into the middle of your tete a tete) Didn't Button out-point Massa last year in a slower car? Doesn't he also have a WDC to his name (yes, I do realize the Brawn was freakishly faster than the other cars on the grid)? Based on two years of results, he beat Massa with a faster AND a slower car.

I though Button acquitted himself well last year. He's not an aggressive driver by any means, but he's effective at managing a race. It's an underrated skill.

 

Maturity comes with age. I think his days as "Alonshole" are over (though he's still a high-maintenance driver)

 

I think a lot of us forget that most of these guys are still just kids.

 

+1

+1

 

I am not sure I can explain it any more simply.

Massa was in front, then behind (due to pit stops), so unless you feel that a driver who was willing to crash someone out to win would be above slowing down to let that guy catch up, you're not making any sense. Also, at the start of the race, Hamilton was just a couple places back and could easily have gone hot into a corner and crashed out Massa. Furthermore, there were other opportunities besides the last race. And why on earth would you assume that causing someone else to crash means you don't finish either? I'm convinced you don't watch F1, but this past year, Vettel/Webber crashed and Webber survived. Also, look up footage of the MS incident I referred to and you'll see what I mean there as well.

I can't believe you are actually trying to make a case that Hamilton would have crashed out Massa but he just never had the chance. If you are not saying that, then clearly your statement that Hammy is the most deceitful/devious (or whatever word you used) driver is patently false.

If it's the former, then you don't watch the sport or don't understand racing, and if it's the latter, your judgment is so affected by your hatred of Hamilton that you're unable to see obvious glaring errors with your outlined scenario.

It's pretty obvious to everyone reading your posts that you made an outlandish statement but rather than acknowledge it was based in emotion, you're trying to justify it.

Because you can never be wrong.

Just like how you still cling to the "first row is P1 only" argument, despite indisputable proof to the contrary.

It is what it is... but it's just fluff and noise on the forum. I don't think anyone takes it seriosuly.

 

He is a good driver and effective at managing a race, very "Prost-like" in that respect.

But like I said, Massa was damn close in '08 and was only let down by mechanical failures (where Hamilton had none). He has (had?) the skills to be WDC. Jenson barely closed the thing out in his title year in a dominant car and was frequently getting beaten at the end of the season once everyone caught up in development. Button couldn't really accomplish crap during his Honda days. The only win Button bagged prior to Brawn was Hungary 06 after the front runners crashed out in the rain (similar to his wins last year, aka right place right time rather than outright speed). Massa has had his years where he took Jensen to the cleaners and IMO is the "faster" of the two drivers. Smarter, probably not.

I know Massa had an "off year" last year but it was his first year back from a horrific accident and time will tell if he still has it. Nonetheless FA did destroy him. However, Massa smoked Kimi in '08 and was doing so again in '09 before his crash, that should count for something as a testament to his skills when he feels right with the car.


I see drivers in a tier system as it stands right now:

TOP tier: Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel, Kubica (although I dunno about Kubica now)

2nd: Massa, Button, Webber, Rosberg, MS (in his current form)

...and on down the line

IMO, Massa/Button aren't good enough to be in the top (remember Jacques Villeneuve won a WDC), yet they aren't bad enough to be anything lower than second tier...

 

Pretty cool interview. He seems calm and confident.

 

Your at Ferrarichat.com, the place where people judge other people without knowing the person at hand. they like to base their opinions on what the drivers tell the media because as we know, media is the best place for that stuff.

 

Statements like these are hypocritical, you are doing exactly what you are saying is so stupid. All my opinion of course... back to F1