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Cruise Control in the 458 (and the FF)?

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  1. LasseH

    LasseH Karting

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    First let me state that I HATE cruise controls, even in the most ordinary car, and think that Ferrari shouldn't be offering one - if you want to be using cruise control buy a Cadillac or something :).

    Anyway, the Ferrari configurator tells that cruise control is available as an option. My question is that how is the cruise control operated? In the Cali, for example, there is a traditional stalk, but in the 458 this is not possible due to the cockpit layout. This exact same question applies to the FF.

    The 458's owner's manual doesn't mention cruise control at all, so maybe it is not available and the configurator is mistaken (hooray if so :))?

    Does anybody have any info on this?
     
  2. isuk

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  3. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Why? I've driven my F430 between LA and Vegas several times and I can tell you there are stretchs where I wished it had cruise. What's the big deal? Do you have to suffer just to own a Ferrari? Is that the point?

    Why not take out A/C then too?
     
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  4. LasseH

    LasseH Karting

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    I like to be in full control of the car and the throttle (and throttle response) is a vital part of this, I wouldn't want automatic steering either. A/C has nothing to do with this, or sun vizors, or heated seats etc etc, they just "facilitate" THE driving.

    No offense, I'm from Europe and don't like the American style of cruising anyway, I hope you understand and don't take this personally! It seems to me that at Ferrari they don't like cruise control either, but have made a concession to the American market only.

    Thanks for isuk for a perfect answer! Have a good weekend guys!
     
  5. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Well, I don't see why a stiff leg sitting in the same position for 5 hours straight at 70 mph is any different than having no A/C on a hot day.

    Cruise control is one more option for what you're doing in the car. You can use it or not. I don't see why it's such a crime to have one installed if you have the choice between using it or not. You can turn the A/C on or you can turn it off. You can turn the cruise control on or you can turn it off.

    Same thing.
     
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  6. mhh

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    +1. I've got it on my Turbo S and sometimes use it on long trips, especially where the highway patrol is active. It would be used in my 458 more often than the radio, that's for sure.
     
  7. raclaims

    raclaims Formula Junior

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    I always like the idea of cruise control but find that I never use it. But I don't really find myself on long empty roads.

    Seems like something that should just come standard
     
  8. S Brake

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    You don't have to use it even thought the car is equipped with cruise control. I don't really see why it's an issue.
     
  9. confu1

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    It is an option any way so don't order it on your car. Problem solved, you will not have to look at the cruise switch and be fired up that cruise is offered.

    Can you imagine someone reading this thread who dreams of even sitting in a 458? A XXXXXXXX buying a 458 is upset the car has cruise control as an option..hahahahah what a XXXXXX.
     
  10. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    LH- We have big roads and big distances to travel, and cruise control is a big help. A Norwegian friend was visiting the States and asked me to drive up and meet him. When I reminded him the distance one-way to meet him was about the same as Oslo to Rome, he got the big picture. I miss it in my 575M, which can eat up hundreds of miles, but your foot gets tired.

    If you hate it, why do you want to know how it works?

    Incidentally, go to this website and you can download a 458 owners manual in English, which will answer all those kinds of questions.

    Taz
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    http://www.ferraridatabase.com/The_Downloads/Downloads.htm
     
  11. vans

    vans Rookie

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    not having cruise control is one of the reasons I turned in my '10 458 for an '11 due in May. It was near impossible to hold the pedal to a constant cruising speed. Harris and others have reported similar. It would go up to 74, I'd adjust, down to 66-67, I'd adjust again, and over and over... Pretty easy to day dream for a minute and get a ticket for ten over. This was on a one hour stretch that I do repeatedly. And obviously on the mountainous sections of my drive, no need for the cc.
     
  12. ignaciotero

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    I guess this really depends on where you live. In Colombia there arent roads straight enough to turn a cruise control on.
     
  13. tazandjan

    tazandjan Three Time F1 World Champ
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    Nacho- Affirmative. Waste of money for you, but a moot point since it is only available in the US and Canada, I think. No problem getting cruise on any Mercedes, anywhere, so Ferrari will learn. It is standard in the States on some very low level cars.

    Taz
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  14. LasseH

    LasseH Karting

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    #14 LasseH, Mar 25, 2011
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    I just started wondering about the controls when I fooled around with the FF's configurator, then I checked the 458's configurator and cruise control was listed there also. Like I said in my first message the 458's owner's manual doesn't even mention cruise control (thanks for a good link - a screen capture from there is attached - no knob for cruise control and the word "cruise" is found 0 times).

    I personally just hate cruise controls, and especially in a very sporty car they are really out of place IMO. As a recent example, I took a daytrip from here Cannes to Portofino Italy in a non-sporty BMW 7 Series which naturally has cruise control. I myself drove all the way and back, 575kms total, and the thought of using cruise control never even crossed my mind, even though, the car and the driving style were not even slightly sporty (and passengers onboard)! Cruise control takes so much away from THE driving and is a pain in the *ss which you have to adjust constantly according to traffic situations. (I understand that in Nevada desert etc. it's a different story.) A speed limit function like in Mercedes is ok by me, you can set the maximum speed which the car doesn't exceed (except when using kick-down) to avoid accidental speeding and you still have full manual control of the car under that limit.

    I have also wondered that how Chris Harris can have a problem with the accelerator...I certainly don't, I wouldn't even have imagined that there could be a problem if I hadn't heard this from him.

    But, thanks for all the answers, I will not discuss this any further to avoid irritating any more people ;), especially when all is now clear and everything has been said! Again thanks for isuk for the information, which probably was new to many non-US folks here!
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  15. Street&Track

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    I got cruise control option on my 458 and it does not say cruise control, it says Pit Speed with a little button and dial indicator.

    Pit Speed, I mean Cruise Control is nice to have for long periods of flat straight Interstate.:)

    I too have heard that it can be difficult to keep the car at a constant speed due to the sensitivity of the accelarator pedal. I have not used the Pit Speed, I mean Cruise Control yet. Hell, I haven't even unloaded the car from my trailer yet.

    But there is always tomorrow:)
     
  16. S Brake

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    That's just awesome. :)
     
  17. tazandjan

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    #17 tazandjan, Mar 26, 2011
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    LH- You got it, and a 575 km round trip is a fairly short trip by our standards. My family is used to a 1370 km one way trip in one day to visit my parents in San Antonio, Texas. On Interstate-25 and Interstate-10, you would definitely want cruise control. Traffic is way lighter than in Europe on that trip. We have ~2M people here in a state (New Mexico) slightly smaller than Germany, population ~80M.

    We can tell you how the cruise control works on the BMW, too, if you like.

    Taz
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  18. buzduz74

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    I have cruise and it is excellent. It is on the left side with the controls.
     
  19. flagger

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    First - I like the interaction with the car. One of the primary reasons I've always had manual transmissions.

    Second - Cruise control, when I use it, has saved me hundreds if not thousands of dollars in tickets when I'm traveling long distances and car speeds tend to creep upward. Ferrari or not, I wouldn't travel without it. Too many speed traps out there and in Virginia, radar detectors are illegal.
     
  20. nizam

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    I'd like to resurrect this thread.

    To those of you with the cruise control option, how well does it work?

    When you approach a hill, does it smoothly apply power to keep the set speed?

    When you crest the hill and start to go downhill, how does the system react? Is it on par with, say, the German cars or (gasp!) the American cars?

    As folks have mentioned, on long, straight stretches (we have many here in California), having cruise control is a life (license) saver!
     
  21. ferrari270

    ferrari270 Karting

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    i dont have cruise control (euro spec)
     
  22. scud

    scud F1 World Champ

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    very disappointing it's not available to every market.
     
  23. JoeGuitar

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    #23 JoeGuitar, Apr 28, 2011
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    That's exactly what I was thinking. We take a +/- 3000km road trip 4 to 5 times every year. Even the most diehard enthusiast would have to admit how fatiguing it would be without cruise control.
     
  24. Street&Track

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    I used the Pit Speed last weekend on some hilly terrain and it seemed to apply throttle and take away throttle to match the terrain quite well. So far, I would say it is a pretty well the equal of the American and Japanese versions of cruise control, maybe just a bit better.

    The only downside is that you have to reach for the knob, and adjust your speed up or down each time you want to change your cruise, I mean pit speed. Although I have not figured out whether there is another way to control the Pit Speed for instance the voice control seems to be able to control a lot of different things on this car. In fact I am not even close to knowing exactly how all the different systems interact with each other on this car:)

    But I am still learning and enjoying it.
     
  25. Cariad

    Cariad Formula Junior

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    #25 Cariad, Apr 28, 2011
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    I ordered it for the FF simply because of resale. I think no cruise control on the FF is a Ferrari trade killer. "Pit Speed" comes from the manettino switch nomenclature on Formula 1 cars. Cool
     
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