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What Gold Connectors Are Easier To Replace With The Engine Out?

Discussion in '348/355' started by Rorie, Apr 5, 2011.

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  1. Rorie

    Rorie Formula Junior

    Oct 2, 2007
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    I know, all of them. Ha ha.

    Seriously, I am getting the kit in the next week or two, my major is April 25th. I know it has been mentioned some connectors are really hard to get to without the engine being out.

    Can someone let me know exactly which ones these are, because I will not have much time to investigate before it goes in.

    Thanks!
     
  2. F355Bob

    F355Bob Formula 3

    The hard ones for me were the injector connectors. The rest can be done without too much problem in the car. The crank sensor has to have the bottom panels removed and car on a hoist to get at. This is on a F355
     
  3. GerryD

    GerryD Formula 3

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    #3 GerryD, Apr 5, 2011
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    The knock sensor if your car has one. The injectors for sure. Doing it with the engine out will insure you can still walk upright for the next few days. :) Also send your injectors out to be cleaned properly while the engine is out if you have time. Clean the throttle bodies and make sure they are not leaking at the base. If any leak then you will have rough idle. The paper gasket at the base of the throttle bodies are very cheap if you need any. Leaks can be seen by little traces of carbon marking the leaks. Clean the springs on each throttle body as well and relube. If your spark plug wires are original, you might want to replace them. Kingsbourne make good wires at a third the price of OEM ones and they come in nice colors. Make sure your tensioner bearings are replaced with Hill engineering ones. They are also much cheaper than OEM and many times better. Check your clutch while the engine is out. Its only an hours work. You might want to replace the throwout bearing with a Hill as well. If your mechanic has a scope and im sure he does, check your headers for cracks, collapses or leaks.
     
  4. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    #4 fatbillybob, Apr 6, 2011
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    kit was designed for engine in the car. There is a slight advantage outof the car forslight access advantage. There is also a slight disadvantage engine out because now you can't change a connecotr to gold then test your car and keepdoing this until all connectors are done. This will prevent miswirings or at least getting too far if you are not paying attension to detail. The kit is easy just pay attension. I think there is an advantage with minimum skilled diy'er to do a few connectors and check do a few and check and that means engine in.
     
  5. spider348

    spider348 Formula 3

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    Speaking as an old guy with a bad back, installing the entire kit with the engine out was marked advantage!
    I am still amazed at the improvements noted in my 355!
     
  6. bcwawright

    bcwawright F1 Veteran

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    Speaking as a much older guy than you with a bad'r back than yours I must agree with your comments...lol
     
  7. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    The only ones I found particularly hard to do in the car, was the big Motronic plug in the passenger compartment. The ones in the engine compartment are not that bad. I could see engine out would be a bit easier, but I would not wait to do it, just for that slight additional ease.
     
  8. FDT

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    Great string. I am considering the gold kit, two questions. The Supremo kit or the Mormale? About how many connections are there? I have a 2.7 355.
     
  9. GerryD

    GerryD Formula 3

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    #9 GerryD, Apr 6, 2011
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    Mine is a 2.7. Theres 10 or so plugs plus your 8 injectors. Cant remember for sure but there are over 70 individual wires (pins). Some plugs have 2 wires some have 3, 4, or 5. If you do them when you have your 30k service your back will thank you plus you have a better chance of doing a better job. If your worried that you might make a mistake, once you peal back the old boots you take a picture of the connector and pin placement before cutting . They are numbered 1,2,3,4,5 (depending on the number of pins) where the pins slip into the connector. Once you crimp the new wire on the pin. If your not sure you made a good connection on a certain pin then just solder it. You then pull the new boot over and plug her back in. Use a continuity tester if your worried. You get faster and better at it as you go along.
     
  10. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    My 550 started as a perfect car. The supremo made it better! On a 348/355 which have the worst electronics of any Ferrari ever made and IMO (not shared by many) one cause of the dreaded 355 valve problems in apparentaly good working cars, I would go supremo as mandatory. I believe that bad timing without proper cam timing plus poor mixture control from garbage in garbage from the ecus causes eating of the cats etc... I don't know how many share that opinon. If you look at my virgin connector plug earlier in this thread you can see a major reason for bad contacts. I don't think your 355 ecu plug is any better. After seeing my ecu connector plug as a typical example of a 10 yearold plug how could anyone do anything but the supremo kit?
     
  11. Rorie

    Rorie Formula Junior

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    Thanks for all the feedback. I would prefer to do one connector, then test it. So if it is not absolutely necessary to have the engine out, I'd rather do it at my own, slow, methodical pace.

    As for the service. I got the 30K service kit from Daniel at Ricambi. So it includes the Hill Engineering Tensioners.

    I have asked my mechanic (Rocco at RMP Motors in North Toronto) to check the clutch, and will definitely get the Hill Engineering throw out bearing, etc if it needs it.

    I was also hearing that I should have the water pump rebuilt, and the alternator.

    I will suggest the injectors.

    I have the Fabspeed Headers going on the car at the same time. I can do it, but he may as well as he will have the engine out anyway.

    I want to powder coat the valve covers, clean up the engine bay.

    I also need him to check the valve guides, etc.

    I never really know if I am insulting or questioning Rocco's competency when I start to say hey, you cleaning the injectors, etc. I'll ask him to treat it like it was his own car, and I am sure it will be done right.

    Car goes in April 25th.
     
  12. Rorie

    Rorie Formula Junior

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    I ordered the Supremo Kit. It is a couple hundred more, but I figure if he makes the kit available, there is good reason to do so.
     
  13. 3forty8

    3forty8 F1 Rookie
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    I think you are on to something. My 348 ran rich prior to supremo kit, barely passed smog and one cat had just started to disintegrate. Post-installation the car runs a much better mixture and passes smog easily, not to mention all the other benefits the kit provides.
     
  14. FDT

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    Great thread, thanks again and I am in proces of odering my gold kit...supremo of course
     
  15. fatbillybob

    fatbillybob Two Time F1 World Champ
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    In 348/355 if ecu plug access is an issue it is easier to remove seat vs the engine
     

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