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So pissed off right now! Todays businesses.

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  1. mj_duell

    mj_duell Formula 3

    Nov 20, 2004
    1,421
    S. Glastonbury, CT.
    Full Name:
    Mike
    So a week and a half ago I decide to have my air box powder coated. I find a shop about 30 minutes from here and drive the parts over. Price is good and the recommendations say they do quality work. I am told the price and that my parts will be ready 7 days from the drop off which would be on last Friday. Call Friday morning, no answer, call Friday afternoon, no anwser. This is a business right? I call one more time at 3:30 on Friday and I am told my parts are not done, supplier did not deliver the powder I ordered for the fuel rails and the airbox has not come back from the stripper. So the parts will be ready on Monday afternoon. Well, ok, I will just reorganize a few things and then make time to pick the parts up and make time to install them. Monday comes and I call at around 10:00 a.m. to check when I should come get the parts, no answer, call at 1:00 p.m., no answer. Now I am getting mad but keeping it together. I send the following email:

    "John,
    I was unable to get a hold of you today. I really could use my parts so I can complete the fuel system on the car. Please let me know if there will be another delay. I may just retrieve the parts and go with another option if there will be a longer wait time or choose a different process. (XXX)XXX-XXXX I need to start heading out to your shop if they are so please get back to me."

    I hear nothing back. At 6:00 p.m. I call am leave a message stating I want my parts back by 12:00 noon on Tuesday and that I am not happy and that I should get at least a phone call. I would have been fine with more time but not knowing has screwed up my schedule once again. I get this in my in box this morning:

    "The powder was not on the truck when it came by yesterday afternoon so I would up driving to Windsor Locks to the terminal to pick up the powder. I was not in the office when you called sorry. Everything will be ready this afternoon."

    I write back and I am pissed. I would never run my business this way:

    "John,
    I am not happy. I know you have had issues with suppliers, but I did not receive one call yesterday regarding a delay. I called 3 times between noon and 5 plus one email. I had to change plans again and cancel obligations so I could have the time off last night and that would have not been the case if I knew I would need to wait a day longer. You come recommended for powder coating and that is why I drove out to Plainville rather than using a powder coater in Hartford, so I am surprised by the way things are going. I would like an actual time to pick-up my parts this afternoon. I am hoping the coatings are the quality I have heard as I have many more parts to have done."

    Here is his response and it just sent me over the top.

    "First off I ran all over the state yesterday to get the powder that was not delivered on time so I was not there when you called. My normal lead time 3 weeks so I was doing you a favor by trying to get the job done quicker. I don't appreciate being talked to like a 4 year old by you after going out of my way to try and have your parts for you sooner than anyone else. Now you are concerned about the quality! Here is the way this is now going to go. Come and get your parts and take them to whoever you like. I have no interest in doing any business with you. My reputation is what it is because I always make sure the quality is the best and i always go the extra mike for my customers. Who the hell do you think you are, you have never had anything done by me and you make a statement like that! I will be back at my shop at 2:30 this afternoon so stop by and get your parts. Consider the blasting and prep a gift."

    WTF! are you serious! Anyone who is considering powdercoating in Connecticut give me a PM first. I will be happy to tell you who not to go too.

    --Mike
     
  2. Sandy Eggo

    Sandy Eggo F1 Rookie
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    Jun 4, 2009
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    #2 Sandy Eggo, Apr 5, 2011
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2011
    Something it took me a while to learn during my Ferrari ownership...nothing happens "on time". It's also hard to get a return phone call or email. I'm lucky I guess, because I live 10 minutes from my favorite garage - so I just drop in un-announced and they almost always drop everything to attend to me. Ya just have to get used it or buy another exotic to drive while one is in the shop! It's unlikely these artisans will ever conform to our A-type personalities' desires.

    What I've found is that people (the good ones) who work on these cars do take their time to get things perfect. Also, as we all know, parts and supplies are almost always a challenge.

    Not trying to make excuses for them - just observations.

    I wish dropping off the F-car could be more like dropping off a Lexus for service...but then again, good things come to those who wait!
     
  3. mseals

    mseals Two Time F1 World Champ
    Lifetime Rossa Owner

    Sep 9, 2007
    24,468
    Kuwait
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    Mike Seals
    Dayumm....

    That is all....

    Mike
     
  4. mj_duell

    mj_duell Formula 3

    Nov 20, 2004
    1,421
    S. Glastonbury, CT.
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    Mike
    True, but a sad state of affairs. I run two businesses and both are run with service being first and the utmost attention paid to the customers needs. I have no idea why we accept other businesses who don't get it. He acts like he is doing me a favor. I just don't get it.

    --Mike
     
  5. Eli355

    Eli355 Formula Junior

    Oct 12, 2010
    678
    Long Island, NY
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    Eli
    A sad but typical statement about today's work ethic. Lesson number one, always tread lightly while someone has possession of your expensive stuff. Lesson number two, be careful about complaining in restaurants when you have not yet received your entire meal. Good luck, I feel your pain. My solution is grin and bear it and don't use the vendor again.
     
  6. GerryD

    GerryD Formula 3

    May 5, 2010
    2,439
    North of TO
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    Guido
    Patients is a virtue. I have found in the past when im in a hurry and keep a look out that things go slow and unusual stuff happens. When I forget about it and go about doing my everyday things, everything falls into place. Like the saying goes, "a watched pot never seems to boil".
     
  7. mj_duell

    mj_duell Formula 3

    Nov 20, 2004
    1,421
    S. Glastonbury, CT.
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    Mike
    I agree with that too...except when promised a delivery date. I was even cool when he could not deliver on that date and waited 3 more days. We have become comfortable with laziness, irresponsibility, fraud and all the other things that were unheard of not to long ago. I thank god there are still a few solid businesses out there, Ricambi and Scuderia Rampante come to mind. There have been mess ups and delivery issues with them before, but it was handled quickly and professionally and with a smile. They should not be the exception but the rule!
     
  8. ndpendant

    ndpendant Formula Junior

    Jun 5, 2010
    636
    Chicago- west burbs
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    Paul
    IF IF IF the guy is really that good and you want your parts there done correctly, go back and explain that your impatience is not a sign of his poor business or communication skills, but all about your excitement and passion for your car and you really want the best guy to do the work. It may be worth a little hat in hand than to start over with your second choice. Ive learned over other cars that it never works the way you want, but it always works out. Take your time, let him do it within a reasonable amount of time, who knows, airing this out may open his eyes to the fact that he may need to just communicate a little, and yours to a new friend and a great guy to call when you need that special project done like its his own car.

    On the other hand, if this is a guy that doesnt care at all about communicating with customers, doesnt care about your parts or project, follow your gut and go find someone else.

    Paul
     
  9. mj_duell

    mj_duell Formula 3

    Nov 20, 2004
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    Mike
    It makes no difference to me if I do not get the service and the professionalism. If he treats customers like this I could careless how good he is. There are plenty of other shops out there. They are supposed to take care of the customer, not the customer bend to their whim. He has lost my business for good and he is lucky I am not posting the name of his shop on a large scale across the internet. Yes, I am still pissed.

    --Mike
     
  10. BRADAN

    BRADAN Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Aug 29, 2009
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    We deal with this situation every single day. Painters and powder coaters are brutal to deal with (must be from sniffing paint fumes all day). The worst is when you are given false promises and pass them along to your customer. You end up looking bad over someone else.

    Nothing ever gets done on time but riding people does not help either. You want them to take there time and do it right.
     
  11. AceMaster

    AceMaster Three Time F1 World Champ

    Feb 6, 2009
    34,762
    Ontario, Canada
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    Mike
    Mike, hang in there, I think these two posts are the best advice
     
  12. ~Joshua

    ~Joshua Karting

    Jan 1, 2010
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    Umm... this is on EVERY forum.

    Because there are more Corvettes out there this type of issue comes up more often on the related chat rooms.

    I just put my Zo6 up for sale in the various spots, glad to know I'll be taken care of in the Ferrari circles. :-/
     
  13. ~Joshua

    ~Joshua Karting

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    #13 ~Joshua, Apr 5, 2011
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    I've done metal polishing (some mine, some outsourced) and chroming for forum members in the past as part of my hobby.

    Metal polishers (and worse) chromers take easily 5-6+ weeks when they collect the cash saying 3-4.

    I've lost money out of principle due to the delay just to make fellow forum members happy.
    I trust ZERO when it comes to that type of work.

    *edit* -and powdercoaters are no better although they have less labor time to hide behind.

    *double edit* - What recession? You can't get people to do the work you PAID them to do!
     
  14. 2NA

    2NA F1 World Champ
    Consultant Owner Professional Ferrari Technician

    Dec 29, 2006
    18,221
    Twin Cities
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    Tim Keseluk
    I thank God every day for businesses like that. My competitors are notorious for overpromising and it keeps me supplied with customers that appreciate someone that tells the truth.

    Powder coating is a commodity now and there is no shortage of people in that business. Pick another or do it yourself (not terribly difficult).
     
  15. unfunnyclown

    unfunnyclown Karting

    Jan 29, 2010
    51
    Also, Businesses don't have an idea of customer service. Your paying them so they must be needed. I run into it all the time when buying supplies for my side business. there is nothing a little guy can do about it, unless you got big friends:)

    I had one provider that promised me some steel laser cut parts in 4-6 weeks. Paid the deposit and ordered the remaining parts to invoice and deliver on the same time table so Im not eating it on interest. everything came on time EXCEPT the key steel parts. 8 weeks no dice. 10 weeks I just ate a month of payments on something that was sold. on week 11 I called up and they gave me some crap about how they were just about ready for paint and that it would be another week. I was pissed because it really hurt my pocket book, and over drinks with a buddy of mine who works as a parts buyer for a certain green tractor company felt my pain, and then recognized the name of the supplier. less then a week later I had my parts, a discount and a very big appology.

    Later I found out that he was doing ALOT of work with said tractor company and was starting to run close to a deadline. my buddy asked for a tour to see the progress. he asked about my little order of unpainted parts and said something to the effect that hes good friends with me and that 100 different company bid on his parts every quarter and he will take it into consideration.

    I hate bad business people. I hate business owners that feel entitled. If something will take 10 weeks, then say it but don't lie then screw them later. Or when they are getting impatient act like they are doing you a favor.
     
  16. troy_wood

    troy_wood Formula 3

    Apr 28, 2007
    1,457
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    Troy Wood
    Wow. Crazy but typical. Whenever I have a transaction like this I look the guy straight in the face for an extra second longer than one usually would while asking about final cost and delivery date. Then I do it once more before before leaving.

    Sorry for your bad day, the real drag about happenings such as this is they taint your whole outlook for a few days...
     
  17. 285ferrari

    285ferrari Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Sep 11, 2004
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    Robbie
    3 weeks normal lead time for powder coating? He must be SUPER busy----Still no excuse to send an email like that to a customer. I think some business owners forget the power of the internet and bad reputation can really hurt.....
     
  18. PAP 348

    PAP 348 Ten Time F1 World Champ
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    Dec 10, 2005
    100,200
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    Pap
    Sounds like a bit of a dickhead to me! :rolleyes::rolleyes:
     
  19. troy_wood

    troy_wood Formula 3

    Apr 28, 2007
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    Hahaha, pap cuts right to the chase...
     
  20. xtcgt

    xtcgt Karting

    Nov 20, 2009
    156
    Toms River NJ
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    Robert Boynton
    i wouldn't have emailed him.

    he probably was trying to get the powder.

    mixed emotions come out email further then on the phone. i bet if he called you back because of no email you would have not the same emotion you have now.

    **** happens...remember you went to him because of the recommendations which means hes probably pretty good.
     
  21. UConn Husky

    UConn Husky F1 Rookie

    Nov 11, 2006
    4,424
    CT
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    Jay
    Wow sorry to hear Mike...I'm not about to get involved, but he is a one man show and does great work. When I had dropped parts of I wasn't in a rush and just said take your time and do them right. There's always a good size back log when I had been there...but yeah from the sounds of it, time to pick up the parts and go elsewhere.
     
  22. 50hdmc

    50hdmc Formula 3

    Oct 10, 2006
    1,211
    Michigan
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    mark s
    Pick up your parts and give the business to someone who wants it. There are no shortage of places doing powdercoating. Get them done, they will look amazing -(I had mine done too), put them on, and forget about it.
     
  23. Mowgli

    Mowgli Formula Junior

    Feb 28, 2009
    435
    Bristol, CT
    Plainville huh? I have had run in's with a shop before, I wonder if it is the same one.
     
  24. etip

    etip Formula 3

    Apr 4, 2004
    2,406
    Washington State
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    Eric
    Screw that!!! Would you want to give a guy like that your money? Hell no.
    And yeah... He was behind because he was running around trying to get the powder; what a joke.... And those that say you were riding him. Please.... F that.
     
  25. jetfixr

    jetfixr Formula 3

    Jun 14, 2007
    1,016
    northeast
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    Gone
    #25 jetfixr, Apr 6, 2011
    Last edited: Apr 6, 2011
    Guys hate to tell you this but there are very few Folks out there that do a "good job" there are a ton of folks that chatty chat on the phone and talk enough to make a dog foam at the mouth.

    You need to decide if you want someone "good" or someone that spends the whole day on the phone and responding to emails.


    I'll tell you something else. I remember a time not to long ago when we had no email no cell phones. You left a "message" and someone would call you back on "their" time. NOW everyone leaves messages saying "I've tried to get a hold of you" implying you should shut down a machine to chit chat.

    I have no secretary whatsoever. Learned a long time ago it was a complete waste of cash because people want to speak to me..........I have all the work I can handle I screen all my calls, if the customer is higher maintenance than return I move on. Sorry guys this is the reality of today's economy. Time is worth a fortune. Service industry folks fight the time clock. It's NOT the same as selling widgets......

    I am 110 percent sure enginefxr, helms, bradan and rifledriver know what I am saying.


    Now, the way this guy treated the customer is WAY out of line. I would have never sent the email and I would have called back... I would have completed the job as promised, your word is your bond outside of unforeseen events.....

    That is how a business earns a good reputation.
     

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