+100 on this. Ferrari's should never be judged based on pure numbers but by the driving experience they offer.
No doubt. But numbers will always play a part of their strategy. It's in their blood. At a minimum, this car will be objectively faster than the 599. Agree?
During the launch of FF Ferrari officials have apparently said that F152 will beat 599 GTO around Fiorano. And according to the product-plan, F152 will be both faster/more focused and more expensive than GTO.
I was thinking about this just yesterday having read the weight needs to be lowered. I was thinking back to the days of Porsche drilling everything in sight, Nascars being acid dipped and other trickery. I believe we will see panels of varying thickness, new forms with greater strength from form. Honeycombing is well proven. Remember sandwiches? Air injection has also been used in some materials to lighten them. Then drill the heck out of it ! I can't wait for the new car. Will it be a mid engine? I learned not to try to guess what's next. I'll be in a 599 by then and looking for another Daytona. . Unfortunately I'm not a new Ferrari buyer but loving the life just the same.
Hmm. Interesting points. Yes, I'm trying to peak behind this "aluminum story" statement, to see what they are talking about. Hopefully it is something great. V12 flagship, mid-engine, open top, 3 pedals... dammit! Wish we could have it!
According to this chart F152 will be even sportier and more expensive than GTO. Image Unavailable, Please Login
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the 599 replacement was mid-engined. Ferrari currently has 3 out of 4 cars in its range front engined - which is rare when one considers that most pure-bred sports cars are rear or mid. Zonda, Lamborghini, Porsche. I think we may see a return to the Testarossa-type mid-engined V12. I keep thinking that in calling the 599 GTO what they did - it likely signifies the end of an era car.
An interesting viewpoint. It would certainly improve the value of the 599 GTO if it were the last of the breed.
If the 599 replacement does turn out to be mid engined then the enzo replacement's performance will have to rival that of a space shuttle.
As the previous poster says, why? Personally I think if the GTO is really the last of the era of front engined V12's it's the one new guys like myself would want to have.
Desirability. I just think a return to the mid-engine V12 for the flagship would overshadow the 599 GTO, especially so soon after it was released. Especially if it is faster, better looking and similarly priced, which I agree are big IFs at the moment. p.s. based on the entering of Exhibit A (The Slide), I'd like to revise my Fiorano lap time to 1min24 dead.
Can anyone in the know give us a hint as to whether the 599 replacement will be front or mid engined?
If they're not calling it a GT, then I have a hard time visualizing anything other than a mid-engine V12.
I agree! During the 80's, barring the front-engined 400/412, every single car in Ferrari's range was mid-engined. Fast-forward to today, and there's only 1 mid-engine car in their range (the 458). Here's hoping to a mid-engine revival...
By that argument the 250, 288, Enzo, F40, F50 etc etc should all be worth a fraction of their current values.....faster/better performance are not the benchmarks by which to judge future values.
Well that all depends on whether you believe the 599 GTO is in the lineage of the 250....Enzo. I do not. Just my opinion.
I heard the following from a dealer who chatted to some people involved on the Enzo development during the FF launch. The Enzo replacement will have tech that other manufacturers will not be able to easily copy. The seating arrangement of the Enzo will be very unique. Asked if it will be the 1+2 of the McLaren F1 - he replied that it's not efficient use of space and that the driver and passanger will have to be good friends in the next Enzo! If one looks at the fact that the Enzo did 1:25 and 0-100km/h in 3.65 secs whereas the 360 did 1:31 - I think the Enzo replacement will do around 1:18 or 1:19 and acceleration definitely around sub 2.5 secs. Especially if they can get the packaging down to 1,000kg. I think you're going to see a completely different car to what were used to and therefore opens the gap for the 599GT to grow into something more. The 458 Spider will be a folding hard top - roof works similar to the Mazda MX5 (Miata) - just folds behind the seats, taking up very little space. On that basis the need for a coupe & spider will probably disappear. With the California being fairly high volume GT, the FF likely to be hig volume GT, there really isn't a need for another GT.
