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Dino Grille shape "L" series

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  1. swift53

    swift53 F1 Veteran Rossa Subscribed

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    We made a new grille for Dino, as original was in a really bad shape.
    What is in the photos is not the final deal yet, and does need adjustments to make it fit the nose opening properly.

    Questions:

    1. Anodized or left natural?
    2. The bottom lip, is rounded over the bottom sheetmetal, at least, that is how
    the original was. The upper lip, should be flush to the sheetmetal, or in other words,
    a shorter radius, as the shape of the bodywork has a different curvature
    and is less pronounced, yet still proud of the bodywork.
    I have seen latter series Dino with the grille inset into the nose, yet still flush,
    without the radii being as pronounced as in the L.
    3. How many screws to attach it to the body, where, and at what separation?
    I assume in upper section, and what kind of screw.
    4. The original had three rivets per side holding the two halves together. Correct?

    Thank you for your comments.

    Regards, Alberto
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  2. John246

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    Hi there,
    Grille looks good but I think that your lip around it is too big,especially the bottom.My car has it original grille so will go down to our storage unit and have a look so can report back later.The finish is semi flat aluminium so dont powder coat it,it wont look right.
    Cheers, - John 02688
     
  3. ilconservatore

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    That's a nice start you've got there. How did you form it?
     
  4. GermanDino

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    yes, the lip around is too big. It`s just slightly rounded...
    I´m looking for the same grill for my 206 GT #00306. If anybody has to sell one, please let me know.
    Regards Matthias
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  5. John246

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    Hi there,the pic Matthias put on is the same as my car so you will be able to model yours from this.Shouldnt be too difficult to get right.

    Matthias, if you are reading this,I havent forgotton about getting you the numbers of my car as promised. Will do it soon. - Cheers - John #02688
     
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    seems to be fixed with 5 rivets (or little screws) at the top and one on the right and left,
    in total 7
     
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    Are all grills created equal? Or is there a model difference?
     
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    All later E-series Dinos, whether Euro or U.S., have a different grille shape, as well as a different front pan. The later grille shape is less ovoid, with more angular ends, although the cross-hatch insert is unchanged. The difference is more apparent in later Euro models, which have the shorter front bumper blades that don't hook into the grille ends. Fred
     
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    Thanks, as I have my grill out of the car I thought photos might help, but wrong model
     
  10. swift53

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    The photos only display the rough grille and I am well aware by comparing to the original one, that dimensions are way larger. It will be easier to trim back than to add on.

    I still need to know:

    Anodized? Or, finish made flat by 2000 grit sanding or less (grit)?
    How are the two halves joined? Mine had three rivets per side at the juncture.

    The upper half barely has a radius, 1mm at best. Is it approximately correct, in assuming it is not flat, and that it does not fit completely into the nose, contrary to the lower one that does have a slightly larger radius?

    Matthias, I can make you one. I think a paper template of the opening and rough dimensions would be a good start. Pm for more details.

    Regards, Alberto
     
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    With a bead roller.
    Thank you for the nice observation...I am impressed myself at the wizardry my metal guy is performing!

    Regards, Alberto
     
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    The grill is silver anodized. This makes a harder and special looking surface which is hard to reproduce by painting or glassbeading etc...
    I´m sure you know it has to be done after forming :)
    Three rivets per side sounds right.
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    There is an outfit here that will anodize. I will ask for a sample and see what comes up.
    They call it 'clear coat'.
    I just hope they take care of the grille...will try with scrap at first.

    I have three grilles, 1 L, 1 L slightly different, and an E or is it an M, this last one, more square on the sides. The egg crate stuff, is three different sizes for the three grilles. Biggest differences, in the length.

    Bottom line, they all have 3 rivets on the sides, one has four holes to screw to the nose,
    one has three, and the one that came with my car about 10 or 12 as it was holding the car together.
    I am clear about no screws on the bottom half.

    What is the best way to cut the slots into the egg crate part? I have come up with a few solutions, as a thin grinding wheel, have yet to measure its dimensions as I assume it has to be the same thickness as the aluminum strips.
    A guide box with slots will be needed to guide, or?
    But I am sure someone will know better than me.
    Possibly with a fine hacksaw + guide?

    I really like this "hand made" business. ;-)

    Thank you for the help!

    Regards, Alberto
     
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    Hi Alberto. Here is my original front grille. If you need some measure or more pictures, please
    PM in spanish to explain it. Regards
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    Thank you for the photo Alvaro. It makes matters worse, as your grille is riveted at the ends. I am now more confused...
    Are you certain yours is an original grille?
    Has anyone seen that before?
    Regards, Alberto
     
  16. rosso dino

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    Chiao Alberto,
    picture of #00746

    ...and check the pics I've made for you on 18th of June 2009 (about the measurements of the air intakes).
    If you need more information, on Sunday I will be able to take some pictures more. Please let me know.

    All the best
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    I certainly did Götz, the problem is that with the bumpers on I cannot tell if the ends of the
    horizontal parts are riveted to the end...;-)
    Kind regards, Alberto
    PS How many screws hold the grille to the nose on the upper half? Spacing?
     
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    this grill looks very much original to me :)
    regards Matthias
     
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    With the ends of the horizontal parts riveted on? The same for early L's as late L's

    Regards, Alberto
     
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    the ends of the horizontal parts riveted on with 3 rivets each side
    picture from my L-series #01100
    so, yes there are differences between 206 GT / early L-series and late L-series until early E-series...
    regards Matthias
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    Thank you Matthias, these are:

    1. E grille
    2. same with egg dividers from #01106

    Conclusion, 01106 should have these dividers, E series should also have same grille and dividers.
    206's and early 246 L had the ends riveted on. Right?
    Thank you.
    Regards, Alberto
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    spot-on ;-)
    regards Matthias
     
  23. rosso dino

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    As you can find in the picture, the ends of the horizontal parts are riveted to the frame of the grille in the same way as the vertical ones are.

    There are just two rivets (no screws) to hold the grille to the nose (visible in the pic on post #16).
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    Great thread on the details of original grills.

    Any suggestions on what the best way is to clean up an original grill without damaging either the black anodized inner egg crate or the outer metal finish?
     

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