Scud vs. 458: Prefer the Scud but didn't expect to. Advice?

I guess I'm crazy. There are lots of Ferrari's I plan to own at various points in time. It all depends upon what "role" you want it to fill in the garage. If I want a V12, then I'd even get a 575 over a 458. In the same "role" based thinking, I currently wanted a hard-edged, loud, shakes-while-idling, spartan, tossable track car. I have other cars for more comfot when needed. So I only looked at CS and Scud and didn't want a 458 despite (or because of) driving it hard, which leads too...

Sorry, I guess I'm also one of those that "real[ly] get's [you]" too! There have been a few threads/posts on how we get to do that. Exoticsracing.com. Super cool. Super good time. Everyone that wants to own any of the cars they have should make the (side) trip when in Vegas...

 

That is awesome. I will definitely have to check that out next time I am in Vegas!

 

Don't hold, double pull - 2 gears shifted in one. The 60ms time is the pause in drive not the reaction time to the pull. It is designed to react just slow enough to register multiple requests. Try it!

 

I agree 100%!!!

Tim

 

Funny how this thread wasn't about the CS but fans of the CS always have to give there pitch. I vote for the scud or better yet a 16M

 

I like the 16M idea...than again, I'm a little biased

Tim

 

Sorry to the see OP's thread get a bit derailed relative to his initial question. However, relative to the Strad vs Scud comparison that tangentially arose.......

I have owned both and currently have a Scud. IMHO, the Scud is light years ahead. Significantly more powerful, fantastic new nannies that can be adjusted to the driver's liking, and a tranny that blows the Strad's gearbox away.

I like the Scud as much as my old CGT simply because the power is so much more usable to the amateur driver like me. However, having said all of that I can easily envision the day where I own another Stradale........ parked next to my Scud of course!!!!!!

I need to drive the 458 before formulating an opinion - however, I am afraid it will be too civilized for my liking.

Good luck regardless!!!

 

OK, great, so I see I'm not the only one then that found the Scud more entertaining and desirable than the 458... I feel better now! Although I guess I'd probably get different answers in the 458 forum

I'm not intending to use it as a daily, I have the Maser which is quite a fun and exciting car for a daily as it is, so my "other car" needs to blow my socks off when it gets wheeled out... so far I think the car to do this job is the Scud! Whereas previously I thought it would be very much a hard-edged track-only car, it's superb on the road as well, and I think that was the big surprise.

Clearly there is nothing mentioned so far that would push me away from the Scud, such as it becoming tiresome after a short period of ownership, or any reliability / maintenance surprises...?

 

Having owned a 360/CS/430/Scud (which I still have) and driven the 458. My vote is the Scud (although my dealer keeps bugging me to get a 458!!). The reason being, as was stated at the start of this thread is that it is more visceral, raw, exciting and involving than the 458. As has also been discussed in this thread the CS fits the same mold, however for my liking it was a little too raw and it got to a point where my wife would not drive in it as it was too loud (the Tubi NGT did not help). Either way the 458 is in my opinion the finest civilized super car on the market, but for me the Scud is the essence of what a Ferrari should be. As I have told my dealer call me when a "Scud" version of the 458 comes out and I may consider it, if they do to the 458 what they did the the 430 in making the Scud.

 

I'll weigh in here with an even more controversial opinion - not only is the Scud better than the 458, but it's better than the GTO too. I have a Scud and a GTO - the GTO is a great looker and unbelievable sound, but the Scud is more engaging and just feels lighter and more nimble, even if it may be slower. I drove the 458 and the Scud a lot at Fiorano, and then came back and cancelled my 458 order. It's a very well sorted, refined and fast car - but the Scud was more engaging - and that's what I want. And I know of at least one other GTO/Scud owner on this forum (should I say former GTO owner who felt the same).

Lets face it Schumi developed the Scud and it's a kick-ass road and track car. The GTO is too hard on the road, it's so bloody large and I am not sure something that big & heavy can be considered in the same vein as the Scud. It's 100s of kilos heavier.

 

Man, as a new Scud onwer........i've never felt any better about a purchase than this one. I've a humble SLS and i would say the same; the SLS is a truly fine MB; but if i had the Scud before, I'd be buying the SLS.

Scud is the Ferrari to have (along side the CS)

 

The 16M is a great car - especially in the mountains where I live half the year. I like the Scud better for me though because I track a lot. After tracking a 360 spider and a 430 spider I owned, I just feel better with a roof even if it is a false sense of security - it actually isn't now because I put in a 2 point roll bar. Of course the best is having both a spider and a coup but after owning 3 Ferrari's at one time, it just became too much of a deal when living in a remote location maintenance wise

 

get the Scud...but...i vote this...to use crude 'hip' wordage...a sick@ss mo fo of an automobile...
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Now that's a *****in machine!

 

Having graduated from a 430 Spider to a 16M this month, I cannot be more pleased.
The 16M is reminiscent of the rawness of early Ferrari road cars I owned with the advantage of modern technology. The FI transmission is frightning quick and for me makes a manual transmission a non issue.. Combine this with the CCB brakes, and lest us not forgot the sound. Heck, the ipod even works.
The rawness was purposely not built into the 458, and for those of us who cherish this trait, the Scud is a no brainer. And the looks aint bad either
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Having only driven my Scud on the street (not too many tracks in my neck of the woods), i felt the 458 was too soft for me. A matter of personal preference perhaps, they're both fantastic!

Best, Paul

 

+1
Looks Awesome......enjoy it!!!

 

with the prices now, i dont know how u can choose the 458 over the scud.

and i have both, and might still keep the scud when the 468 comes out.

 

Thats an interesting comment Craig. The impression I got from GTO owner's posts was that it was more useable and surprisingly agile. Or are you the only one being truly objective?

 

Perhaps, but the 599 body just doesn't replace the connectedness you feel with a mid-engined car and the amazing visibility. The 599's a long car! That said the GTO does have remarkable turn-in - but it is worth double the price - I don't think so. It's still very new so perhaps I am not quite used to it yet - still feel a bit like Jeremy Clarckson - terrified that the car's going to kill me!

Scud's definitely a keeper though - no doubt about it!

 

Thanks everyone! I feel vindicated in wanting the Scud and less alone in my madness!

 

Please also post this on the 458 thread

 

I always read both, don't want to form a biased opinion!

 

Will you keep the Maser?

If so, Grandturismo S + Scud makes a great combo.

If not, I would go for the 458 Italia. Think of it as a great all-rounder.

 

Neither, save headaches and money and just get a 458