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Disreputable Dealer -- what would you do?

Discussion in '360/430' started by Spitfire, May 17, 2011.

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  1. jbbachman

    jbbachman Karting

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    #126 jbbachman, May 20, 2011
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    I disagree with the statement that we should stay away from Florida dealers. It's certainly not fair to the good dealers in Florida. I purchased my Ferrari from a Florida dealer without any issues. Overall, it was a very good experience. It's simply not fair to categorize all Florida dealers as unscrupulous.
    Do your research thoroughly from ANY dealer before purchasing. Don't be so overexcited about the fact you are buying a new/used car that you forget your due diligence.
     
  2. Spitfire

    Spitfire Formula 3

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    #127 Spitfire, May 20, 2011
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    I didn't forget to do my due diligence. I knew exactly what I wanted, I was very specific, and the dealer confirmed that everything was in order and that it was put in the trunk prior to pick-up by the shipper. The fact that the items were not in the trunk upon arrival isn't, I think, a sign that my due diligence was lacking. In fact, I thought I was pretty clever because I wasn't allowing myself to be "stung" by the nuisance of missing keys and remotes. I sure as hell had the smug grin wiped off my face!!

    What it does indicate is that I was overly trusting. I'll never make the same mistake again, and others on fchat in a similar position shouldn't make a similar mistake.

    There are lots and lots of really great guys on fchat. Over the years, I've bought and sold bits and pieces and have taken more than my fair share of great advice (which has always been given freely, and with great enthusiasm). All of these "transactions" have been based upon blind faith and never once have I been let down or disappointed. It's a great shame that some of the guys who sell us our cars aren't similarly principled. Oh well, welcome to the real world I suppose.
     
  3. MalibuGuy

    MalibuGuy F1 Veteran

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    You obviously think the dealer is lying and that the shipper didnt take these items. I agree with you. Too much of a coincidence that only the missing items didnt show up.
     
  4. bryonj

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    #129 bryonj, May 26, 2011
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    I might be able to help. I will need to know the name of the dealer and how much you will pay for the missing items. PM me if interested.
    I bought my car from a F dealer in Palm Beach but won't tell you which one. ;)
    I also had (minor) inconviences when buying it. I was also warned about FL. prob won't buy from FL again.
     
  5. Trent

    Trent Formula 3

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    FL is not a dealer, it is a State. If you choose to generalize, go big! Beware of humans selling anything and for that matter the planet earth is questionable at best. Its inhabitants live on a thin, slightly cool crust floating on a molten core as it hurdles through space toward absolute certain destruction, all the while worrying about global warming or cooling depending on the current temperature trend.

    Name the questionable FL dealers.

    FL has the largest used Ferrari market in the world, including the highest volume of new cars sold (so I heard somewhere, lets call it here say), so statistically there should be more disgruntled Ferrari purchases in FL.
     
  6. bryonj

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    does anyone know the vin #?
     
  7. Spitfire

    Spitfire Formula 3

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    I obviously know the VIN #, but I'm trying to resolve this peacefully before "going global" with specifics.
     
  8. rocketman

    rocketman Formula 3

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    The longer they make you wait the less likely it will come to a satisfactory conclusion.

    Be acutely aware of the statute of limitations...it is to their advantage to drag this out until you have no recourse.
     
  9. lndshrk

    lndshrk Formula Junior

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    #134 lndshrk, May 27, 2011
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    Correct - I'll take Geography for $300, Alex.

    The problem being that Florida, AS A STATE, has some of the worst (most lax) consumer protection laws as relates to auto dealerships in all of the 50 states.

    You will find dealers in Florida that wouldn't survive a month without a criminal indictment in most of the other 49 states simply because nearly every disagreement between dealer and customer is a "civil matter" (and not criminal) no matter how vehemenent or heinous the behavior of the dealer.

    Civil, not criminal.

    Which of course, requires the customer to hire an attorney, sue, and if they win - wait forever to collect.

    In most other states, many of the "dealer acts" which are CIVIL in FL, are in fact CRIMINAL offenses.

    Example: come play "Title" or "Title washing" games (or any number of other sorts of dealer shenanigans) in Utah - and suddenly you will be looking at these nice gentlemen w/ guns from the MVED - Motor Vehicle Enforcement Division - they have no sense of humor.

    You will end up in SPMITAP (with apologies to the movie "Office Space" - State-Pound-Me-In-The-A**-Prison)
     
  10. Simon^2

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  11. Spitfire

    Spitfire Formula 3

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    Indeed, I did "buy" an '02 the first time around, but it was involved in an accident immediately after I'd paid my deposit, so I moved on to vehicle # 2 which is an '04. Well spotted.
     
  12. rcuming

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    I also bought my car from a Florida dealer. I regret it and won't do that again.
     
  13. Spitfire

    Spitfire Formula 3

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    So, the saga continues. I sent the dealer an email on May 20th outlining the areas in which the deal was lacking and asking for his proposed solution by May 27th. He didn't acknowledge receipt of my email and he didn't make any proposal to solve the issue.

    He sent me a cursory "give me a ring" email on June 1st -- I gave him a ring, but he didn't answer (predictable I suppose!) and he still hasn't answered the voice mail that I left.

    I filed a Florida DMV Complaint Affidavit on June 3rd and hope to hear from them shortly.

    I'll keep you guys posted. Given the fact that my vehicle was delivered on April 25th, and I've been trying to get the dealer to resolve everything since that time, I think I've been more than patient.
     
  14. Gh21631

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    I will say what everyone is thinking. No one cares unless you state who the dealer is otherwise kill the thread and move on. Lesson learned.
     
  15. Spitfire

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    #140 Spitfire, Jun 6, 2011
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    Wow, we have a mind reader in our midst! Thanks for your considered input.
     
  16. 95spiderman

    95spiderman F1 World Champ
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    Just read thru most of this and am quite suprised by lack of support for the op. Why would any of us take the dealers side in this? They misrepresented the car and should either provide the missing items or a check for the difference. This is why car dealer have such a stellar reputation
     
  17. 50hdmc

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    I have learned the hard way that the laws in Florida are designed in favor of the a dealer. For that reason alone, I would avoid a Florida dealership. Even as a civil matter, the small print requires your case to go to arbitration - the dealers know better than to allow your case to be heard by a jury! In short, there is little recourse if you are victimized by a dealer in Florida - that is a fact.
     
  18. 50hdmc

    50hdmc Formula 3

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    Newbydude,

    If what you are posting is correct, you ought to do your brethren here a service and provide the name of the dealership. They can decide, given the information, whether or not they want to do business with the establishment.
     
  19. Spitfire

    Spitfire Formula 3

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    I absolutely do agree. The dealer needs to be named, and I will name them. I'd just prefer to let them have this final chance to do the right thing so that I can say it ended well. I'm a principled person, and do therefore believe that my fellow fchatters should know what they're getting into before doing business with these guys.

    My experience has show me that next time around (probably a 458 Italia) I will ensure that I have the list of "accessories" in writing (on official letterhead), and that they are FedEx'd to me upon payment of my deposit -- the deposit will be fully refundable if anything is missing for any reason. I would recommend this approach (or similar) to all fellow fchatters, and I wouldn't just follow this approach with FL dealers.
     
  20. xraes

    xraes Karting

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    I'm very new here, but the main reason I joined was to gain knowledge prior to purchasing my first Ferrari. I can't think of much more "valuable" information than a unscrupulous dealer to avoid.
    I'm sorry, but this now seems more like attention getting than "principle". If the facts are as stated, the dealer clearly is in the wrong and should be named. If he "does the right thing" later, this thread isn't going anywhere and the happy ending can be discussed ad nauseam.
    Provide the name or move on.



    Rodney
     
  21. Spitfire

    Spitfire Formula 3

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    I can see why you might think this way, but it is about a principle, and the dealer will be named when I decide to do so.
     
  22. andy308

    andy308 Formula 3

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    Have you considered that if you name the dealer there may be some people on here who can help you get the missing items you desire? Just a thought.
     
  23. rocketman

    rocketman Formula 3

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    It seems quite obvious to me that the OP wants to maximize the chances of getting the items that are due to him or some other sort of compensation. Therefore, he does not want to drop names until this is accomplished.

    At the appropriate time, which hopefully is sooner rather than later, I would hope he outs this SOB so the whole community knows to avoid doing business there.
     

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