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Adjusting 308 Dog Bone After Replacing Bushings

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  1. robertgarven

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    #1 robertgarven, Jun 6, 2011
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    Dear Friends,

    Not sure if anyone has had this happen. I replaced the bushings in my dog bone and when I went to install it, it was off a bit. When I took it off before the new bushings were installed the bolts slide out effortlessly. I know the bushings were worn but want to set it up so there is no extra strain on the 4 studs and nuts that hold the dog bone support structure to the valve cover. Obviously I can shim, and or adjust the bracket that holds the dog bone to the chassis. Just thought someone that has done this before could share their experiences.

    My plan is to make it so that the bolts slide in and out as effortlessly as they did when I took them out. I am not sure how much the engine flexes, but assume I need the support to hold the engine where it is at rest. After all I have been through so far not sure I want to replace any engine mounts, etc. unless I have to! :)

    Thanks in advance for any and or all suggestions, here is a before and after pic.

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  2. Brian Harper

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    #2 Brian Harper, Jun 6, 2011
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    Adjust the distance to the rear mount with shims between it and the rear bulkhead. I used some washers, but there is an official Ferrari shim for this. Ricambi America has them for less than $3 a pop. They call them a "washer." Parts 5 and 6 on the drawing.

    You were on the right track.
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  3. robertgarven

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    Thanks Brian,

    I saw that and will order some, just wondering if anyone else had this happen and how tight should I get it or should I leave it as is at rest?

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  4. Brian Harper

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    When I replaced my motor mounts I had to re-shim the dog bone. A friend with a GT4 had his dog-bone bushings replaced and it needed re-shimming as well. I'd guess it is pretty common when messing with any of them.
     
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    I had no idea Tirante de Riazione translated into "Dog Bone".

    I always thought it meant torque bar.

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  7. Steve King

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    If you want to get creative then just cut the dog bone in half and thread each side . One side with right hand thread and the other with left hand thread. Get a double threaded nut from a hardware store and install and adjust. Or you could just use shims.
     
  8. fmech

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    same thing happen to me when I removed & replaced the engine

    I had to jack up the bottom of the tranny, slacken all engine mount bolts
    then put the bone back in the cage !

    engine will settle down once restarted & give it some revving up back to normal

    c if this helps

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    Rob,

    How did you get the old bushings out and the new ones in?
     
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    When removing my dog bone I found the old one was under tension. Inserted a pry bar and pushed on dog bone rearward to relieve tension so I could move bolt in rear body mount. Reversed process after installing new bushings.
    I also have an X1/9 which has the same dog bone set up. There is no shim adjustment like on the GT4. What I noticed was the tension on each was appx the same. Had to utilize the pry bar method for removal.
    Believe that if there isn't the tension to start with and if with the bolts can be removed easily there exists too much free play in the system and too much movement results. Pre loading I think is good. Can't prove it though with figures but the tension eliminates the other components having to deal with the stresses of rocking back and forth induced by the engine rotational torque.
    The amount of resistance isn't enough to deform the rubber but enough you can't pull the bolt out without releasing the tension.

    If you really want to tighten the mounting up try this. For the X I took 2 hemi joints and a turn buckle which may a solid mount system. Increases vibration felt, dampening greatly reduce. It also isn't light as there is a fair amount of metal making up this torsion bar. I also doubt the GT4 was designed for such undampened loads.

    How I remove the bushings is to burn out the rubber guts, hack saw the outer bushing shell ,try not to cut the dog bone. then beats out easily. Powder coated the dog bone and pressed in the new bushings easily enough using a vise and appropriate sized socket.

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    What my concern is this whole assembly is held on by 4 small 6mm nuts and studs.... Not sure if my idea is correct but I want to get it tight but not have to force it that way the rubber can do the work. The engine must be designed to flex a little as revved?

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    i have some spare carb front-to-back linkage bits that could be used..
     
  14. robertgarven

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    Thanks to all,

    I still want to hear dog bone stories but I think I am going to go with the shims and make it tight but not too much pressure. I spent too much time making the stock one look perfect! I could be wrong but my brain is telling me when it pulls away from the support the rubber will dampen it and when it pushed towards it will do the same.

    Rob
     
  15. Iain

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    #15 Iain, Jun 7, 2011
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    I had to shim mine when I put my engine back in recently - and I know I put the same engine mounts back in the same places with the same spacers underneath.

    In relation to the weight of the engine (and therefore the forces it will exert if it moves around on its mountings) the bushes in the dog bone thing seem pretty soft. I couldn't see a reason to want to have them permanently under tension so I shimmed it at the back till the bolts just slid through.

    Perhaps one of the pros would be good enough to clear this one up? Should the thing be under tension (or compression?) or should it be shimmed till there is neither tension nor compression?
     
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    #16 robertgarven, Jun 11, 2011
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    Wow,

    I went out to work on the car and was looking at the dogbone chassis assembly and thought hey I should clean that up. After a quick wiping with WD-40 the black support and associated bolts, etc it cleaned up to a very nice silver, well I did rub on them for a while. I assembled it and sure enough everything seemed to fit perfectly now? I tightened the engine side then the support side then tightened the chassis support then unloosened the chassis dogbone bolt to double check it. It is not loose but is pulls out with some friction. Not sure why it is fitting now but am happy and it looks nice too!


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