Dave, Oh yes now I remeber seeing it a few weeks ago when I first looked at the pictures. Has to be some sort of an electronic ignition box. Can always be converted back to a Dinoplex if the owner is thinking of showing the car... Geno
Providing the original Dinoplex is available, wasn't previously fried, and is functional. Hiding an aftermarket ignition in the original Dinoplex enclosure isn't the answer either if the buyer wants to enter the car in a major concours. Judges now listen for the unique Dinoplex sound while the ignition is turned on. Dave
Quite right -- as I know all too well! WRT the car at http://www.anamera.com/en/detail/car/75954/index.html?no_cache=1&ret=63, I am particularly interested in the photo angles of the car. Some of them actually DEflatter the car. Others (fortunately, the majority) really make aspects of the design pop and provoke a response to the aesthetic. I think that is the mark of a great design. WRT to Dinoplex, I am sure $20 of parts incl a piezo transducer can simulate that whine. Who's game?
Just give it a few years, everyone. The Dino is a little older and many probably rusted into oblivion as "quasi-Ferraris" before people came to their senses and realized they are real Ferraris. In 2013, 40 years after the intro of the 365 GT4 BB, the Boxers will have their day. In 2003, prices started to move but the credit crisis of 2008 set things back 5 years. That said, I'm still driving mine like it's a Mondial. And I drive my Mondial like it's a Boxer! And really, at the end of the day, you have to decide if you're buying to invest or drive. The former is a substantially more involved undertaking and requires that you treat the car as asset, not hot-metal-oil-leather-senses-alive-involved-driving-experience. (Rush fans: Yeah, I know, I know.....)
Dave- The Dinoplexes are available as there is a company that makes them or rebuits them from old units, but they want your old one as a core. They are also very expensive. I replaced mine and I think it was $2500 or $3500 if I remember correctly. Geno Bendl;140553280]Providing the original Dinoplex is available, wasn'tpreviously fried, and is functional. Hiding an aftermarket ignition in the original Dinoplex enclosure isn't the answer either if the buyer wants to enter the car in a major concours. Judges now listen for the unique Dinoplex sound while the ignition is turned on. Dave[/QUOTE]
I have a 328 and a 512bb and I enjoy both of them immensely. With that being said, each of them is a completely different driving experience. The 328 is very civilized, and the boxer is a beast. I mean that in a good way. You are not going to drive the boxer around town a lot,but, it is an awesome experience on the open road. The one challenge that I had with my boxer was that the sodium filled valves will develop cracks around the shaft of the valve. I would strongly reccomend having them replaced with solid valves before you experience a catastrophic event.
Agree with you Albert. I have had a Dino for 30 years and still not sick of it. Best description I have heard is a Boxer is a Dino on steroids. Perfect description as long as it is a carby version. The 328 is a more everyday friendly car, does everything right but not the character of the other two. I currently have one of each of these cars and the 328 gets left in the garage more often than the others though it is a great car in all respects. Wish the Dino had the grunt of the Boxer. Value - priceless.
Which is better (i.e. more fun) on twisty hilly backroads in the northeast? There's not much chance for long smooth straight road driving over 80 mph around here. I like the fact that I can throw my carbie 308 aound and carry a lot of speed through the turns. Once it's moving over 20 mph it's a fast car. I would love a boxer, but I don't know if the lack of room to really let it run means that a 308 is the better choice for the driving opportunities that I have.
Lew, Sounds like you have as good a car as any for what you are doing. If you are happy with it then its the right one.
I've been wondering the same thing. I have a carb'd 308 GTS and it's perfect for the northeast backroads, but I wonder if a Boxer can do nearly the same? Jim
I would REALLY recommend a carbed Boxer if you can smog it in your state. I had a U.S. 328 and currently own a Euro dry sump 308 GTB; no comparison in the driver involvement/fun factor, and I think you can guess which car I'm speaking of by my use of the past tense HAD... The 512 BBis use the same crappy K-jetronic mush as the 328s; the throttle response and induction howl of the carb Boxer sets it apart, just like in the 308/328 scenario. One is going to be raw, snotty and full of it, the other refined, and more of a GT car, just like in the 328 vs. Euro carbed GTB world. Of course, IF you can find a carbed 512 that hasn't been butchered by the idiotic U.S. conversion laws, that is the one you want.
You don't need a long smooth straight road for a Boxer. If you can find a good twisty back road with a speed limit of 30/35 MPH, you can have a blast with a Boxer! On the other hand, if you have to drive a road with very tight corners and a 20 MPH speed limit, you might as well forget it. John
I am in the same boat but just sold my 328 GTS this week. All of your posts are making me a bit nervous about buying the '83 512 I have my eye on. It just had an full engine out service this week at 34, 000 km. It is not a concours quality car but nice nonetheless and from my perspective these cars need to be driven vs being garage princesses. The 512 I am looking at here in Calgary Canada is originally from North or Soungt Carolina, brought here 5 years ago. VIN is: 45999. It appears that even though it has been taken car of by our current FCA President here, I think based on your posts that at $120,000 its priced a bit high.
i have NO idea if it is priced too high @ $120k...it may very well be. it too may be short money today when compared to where the values could in fact go. boxers could very well have their day ! not everyone participating in this thread are owners or those in the know regarding values. pcb
i would differ. i bought my 512bbi, and then had the engine and tranny pulled. we replaced every single thing that was not 100%, and that was a lot of stuff - covered the entire garage floor and, the parts we replaced included the injectors. we then stuffed it all back in, and the transformation was amazing. i should have dynoed it right after that, but i could still do it now i guess, but i am convinced i have at least 30 more bhp than original. anyway, i took it on the targa florio, and to get there we drove it down to genoa from geneva and the car was a rocket. extremely responsive and powerful. so i would suggest that some of your opinion of the injected versions vs the carbed ones may be due to poor injectors, and other parts that need replaced, and the newer parts are better than what they had 30 years ago, and the carbed cars are constantly getting their carbs fettled and adjusted. and as for the exhaust noise, for whatever reason, i have a very loud and melodic exhaust. the dealer said he had never seen that kind on a homologated car, so i dont know what it is, but its loud ! so, i would not discount the bbi. i chose it specifically because i did not want to fool around with the settings all the time since i drive it infrequently. and it has not been disappointing.
My opinion does not come from comparing my carbed 308 to only my 328 but, rather, compared to EVERY FI 308/328 I've driven. Perhaps all those FI cars did need adjusting or their injectors replaced, but...if one simply looks at the design of the Bosch FI vs the carbs, there are, in essence, 12 ITBs on a carb boxer, and one mechanical FI system on a BBi. Also...I'm sure the exhaust noise on a BBi can be wonderful, but there will be no carb induction roar, which is simply an amazing sound in my (and many other's) book(s). I'm also not sure who would be having to tinker with their carbs so much; I have not had to touch mine...ever.
Can a carb bb run five seconds flat or 4.9 0-100kph?....and that includes a shift... I run mine against a fellow that had a carb car many years ago,mine was not even broken in then and his had lots of miles.....he could not even keep up. I drove his car...the throttle was either on or off and the car fell on its face if given throttle too early at low rpms. BBis can be stormers if one knows how to pick injectors,balance the banks and set the co and engine timing curve right, and finally the injection on a bbi is capable to deliver all the fuel you want at different rpm if you know how to set the pins in the regulators plus when all set right they stay good for ever if bad or old fuel is not allowed to stay in the car for too long. Any one with a stock bb and carbs can come and run against my BBi from a rolling start ( I do not abuse the car) and see how the carb cars being faster is a myth. The last versions made on all older Ferraris are always the best and most refined. The DUAL fuel distributor system on BBIs has being used on that era as an ideal system to run all kinds of fast custom fuel demanding prototypes and it was and is bulletproof. The torque on the injected car from low rpm and pull is awesome and you can drive the car in traffic 1-3-5 gears if you want idling along .....do that on a carb car..........only the injected one can scream from idle to red line and beyond anytime you put you foot in it right now! Induction roar? Is not a roar....it is air.....a roar comes out the exhaust....plus if you compare stock cars a properly tuned injected car can sound awesome even with the stock Ansa....problem is no one knows how to set one up.....if you do you will think you installed another exhaust system ....louder and awesome sound tune after 3- 4k.......problem with most boxers are so molested no one knows what is what.... Mario
Whatever. How do you know your friend's carb car was set right? As far as the carb induction noise vs the roar coming out the exhaust...it's both. In your car, it's one - the exhaust, so in this case you are wrong.
symbolic seems to be a reputable outfit,,,while window shopping there over the years,,before and after buying my 328,,,,the fellows there seem to be honest,,knowledgable,,and trustworthy,,,,im due for a trip to La Jolla...woudlnt mind stopping in,,they have always had several nice exotics for sale,,as well as kind of a museum of race cars in the back section of the building,,,great place to check out,,,thats great that your going to get a Boxer,,,,i love that car,,,,,the newer injected BBi s,,,are more reliable,,,,thats what people have told me,,good luck,,,
Anyone else notice the VIN Number is transposed on the Body and the Plate. http://www.anamera.com/en/detail/car/75954/index.html?no_cache=1&ret=63 49279 and 49729.. ? The Body Stamp is the Number that is the missmatch from all the other documentation.
i drove a 79 (maybe a 78 dont remember ) carbed 308,,,it sounded and drove pretty good,,,but my 89 328 would smoke it anytime ,,anyplace,,and that goes for any 308,,,euro or not,,,i like the 512 BBi injected,,because of what the other poster said about having to adjust the carbs now and again ,,i dont think Ferrari would have used fuel injection if it wasnt better than carburation..same thing on motorcycles,,,,fuel injection is better..period., carburation is set at sea level,,,in the mountains,,,you lose power,,,thats not the case on my injected 1300.,,once Ferrari went to the four valve configuration,,,that made up for the difference in power,,,no disrespect to the other poster,,im very happy with the amount of driver involvment with my 328,,and i suspect that would be the case all the way up to the 355,,,after that im not sure,,,i drove a 6 speed 355 and it had excellent mechanical grip,,,and outside of the assisted power steering,,,it was fun to drive,,, ill bet the boxer is just as fun to drive as the 328,,you just have to know what your doing if you wna go quick,,,,,the motor over tranny in the boxer,makes the car have a higher CG,,,and that takes away from the handling,,,Mario is correct when it comes to injected vs carb,,,,,my friend has an 85 QV,,thats absolutely sorted correctly,,,,runs fantastic.,...my car is noticably faster ..the later models of any Ferrari are better than the first models,,,,same as in their F1 lineage.........
Really?...Bring your 328 to Temecula and I'll show you differently. Really...please come. I beg you. Ferrari initially went to FI for emission reasons, not performance. And there is a BIG difference between a 78-79 U.S. 308 and an early carb Euro car. Also...you lose power in the mountains regardless of whether or not you have carbs or FI -- Less oxygen into the engine. Again, come to Temecula; in fact, come this weekend; my Euro 308 hasn't had any good U.S. 328s for lunch in a couple of months now.
we should meet half way ,,,lets say the top of ortega highway at the 5 freeway....sunday morning at 530 am....ill let you go first,,and ill pass you before we get halfway to the lookout,,,
