no more off-throttle EBD starting at Silverstone

good, bad or indifferent it's just another case of engineers vs the rulemakers. one the reasons F1 is the pinnacle of motorsports.

 

you got that right !!!!!. the engineers are way smarter than the rule makers. Unforntunaly the rule makers think they are the smart ones. I do think changing rules mid season is just plain stupid. In this world of cost cutting all you do buy changing the rules is cause the big teams to spend more money to keep going the same speed or even faster. Let the teams and engineers set the the rules and then just have the FIA enforce them.

 

Tended to agree until the last bit. You would get the opposite then, engineers seeking an advantage and rangling over their ideas.

Make the rules simple.

As for cost cutting what a load of BS that is, private jets, helicopters, flying around the world hiring 747's, .......

Its a show, leave it that way and dont patronise us with green and cost credentials.

 

- Mclaren will be the hardest hit. They will need to start searching for other engineers to copy data and designs from or risk becoming back markers.
- Redbull will survive to win both the championships.

 

What a wonderfully simplistic view!

Mclaren & Ferrari can't agree on the color of the sky. Throw in Newey and a handful of others and they'd never agree on *anything*...... They don't like sharing their nose drippings, there's absolutely no way it could work! (IMHO )

It's also worth noting that the "rules makers" do listen to the teams - The Technical Working Group is made up of both sides. Remember Ross telling them the diffuser rule was badly worded? He offered to re-write it, and "they" told him to get lost......

Unfortunately, "making the rules simple" can't work either - Anyone remember what happened to the Can Am? It's unsustainable.

As always, my 02c,
Cheers,
Ian

 

The eternal battle. Never to be finally resolved. Thank God

 

Anybody that speaks German care to translate this article. I think it says the engine maps will be frozen after Q3 in Valencia. So we could start to see RB suffer from there on.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/formel-1/red-bull-auspufftrick-wird-die-wunderwaffe-entschaerft-3845606.html

 

Correct. Very interesting article by the way. Basically it turns out that RB uses a much more aggressive mapping in qualifying to extract extra advantage from the blown diffuser. After qualifying they reset the mapping (I didn't know this was allowed in parc fermé?) because they can't afford to run the aggrassive settings in the race. It would stress their engine too much and would negate any aerodynamic gain through the higher fuel load (the aggressive settings burn more fuel).

This all explains why the RB is that much faster (especially in Q3 when it matters) in qualifying and less so in the race.

The article also explains there are two methods of blown diffuser. Hot and cold. It's a bit technical but I think it has more to do with managing the engine temps. Some manufacturers are affraid that without EBD their engine might run too hot. FIA counters that the engines could cope with the temps in the last two years and since the engines are frozen there shouldn't be a problem.

This isn't over yet!

 

how so? changing engine maps is surely no more than the twist of a knob on the steering wheel anyway.

 

In the mechanical days life and racing were so much easier....

You could be right, the problem is these days that the rules are so complicated, even the teams themselves often don't know what's allowed and what's not. Take for example the tire changes during the red flag period in Monaco.

 

Get a horse

 

... but in the end - they all have the same number of engines to last the season. No point punishing RB for being the first team to work out how to get the maximum possible performance advantage from their engines with qualy maps whilst managing to hit the engine life targets.

 

I agree. Red Bull should just install a qualifying button on the wheel that changes all of the engine settings to their current qualifying settings. Then, when they start the race, switch to a different setting. Totally legal, no?

 

Don't know,... but if you switch from quali to race on your cool down lap, it seems you'd be good.