I wonder why you guys say that Vettel is only so good because he has a good car, but at the same time dismiss his POS Toro Rosso success as meaningless. You can't have it both ways.
His POS Toro Rosso only won ONE race. Where do you think MS would have finished last season and stand in point's this season if he was in the RB? Umm that would be 8 WDC's and leading the WDC point's. Blah blah blah is all the bs I hear about MS being to old, he is in better physical condition at 40+ than 3/4's of the driver's on the grid today. If someone beat's his 7 WDC's my opinion might sway a tad but not enough.
+1 Except that so far he hasn't shown any cheating or obnoxious track behavior (like bullying other drivers into the wall). +1 Some folks can't see the forest while standing in it.
why must you spoil a good post by finishing it with crap?? it's well documented that Alonso pitted to cover Webber, which was a dumb idea, because he wasn't winning....Vettel was! and the reason Alonso was 14 seconds behind Rosberg was because he was stuck behind a slow Petrov. Thank God for DRS!!! Anyway, that's history now and this year's performance by Vettle has no ifs and buts. He's a significantly better performer than last year....it's all in his confidence I reckon. He really didn't like being beaten mid season by webber last year
You mean like Senna was so famous for? Vettel is now 24, and he has one a lot. I can't wait for people to eat their shoes when he is in a 2009 Mclaren equivalent. All this talk was identical when Alonso was a very young driver, and where is it now? Yes, he won 2 WDC but has had a string of rough cars since. How on earth do you guys know Vettel won't be subjected to the same thing and is simply a product of Newey's genius. Please someone tell me. Schumacher/Brawn/Bern owned F1 after they had their battle plan figured out. Time will tell if he has that kind of capacity for constant feedback and teamwork to help build perfect cars. We notice drivers winning a WDC here and there, but none have got the formula right to keep winning and winning, over and over, year after year. Perhaps Seb does but it's too soon to tell. I admire what appears to be Seb's passion for his team and driving and truly hope he does well. He seems like the flavor of the season though and a bum car is all it will take for him to be another front running and capable driver chasing after someone in a better car. And then that person will be the flavor of the season
Hmmm, I'm sure Webber would disagree with this. Remember Vettel turned into Webber ... yes Webber made it hard and was pissed with the team, but if Vettel had kept going straight instead of trying to bully Webber over there would have been no crash. The only difference is that Vettel lost the most in this battle, in that race anyway. Pete
+1, and well said. If Alonso had been correctly treated as a driver instead of a pain in the @rse Spanish pr!ck that just bought a sponsor to McLaren right from the begining of that season he would have won his 3rd, and if Ferrari could remember how to make a winning car again, instead of an almost there car ... who knows ... I guess Ferrari needs Newey to move to another team, and be lost in building up the infrastructure, to win again . Pete
Assuming you are referring to Turkey last year: Vettel thought rightfully that Webber was told by the team to move over but that never happened. Not the drivers fault.
Nonsense. Christian Horner brags about Red Bull Renault never having Team Orders. Let's stay realistic here.
Do a little research and you'll find out that Horner told Webbers engineer to let him know to move over. The engineer however never relayed the order. Horner is a hypocrit for bragging about not using team orders. Then again that should have been obvious when claiming equal driver treatment and looking what really happened with new parts
Regardless of all the above, Seb won his WCC the same way many drivers in the past have. What's done is done so no worries. I'm sure there will be some fascinating documentary on 15-20 years where the veil is lifted
I was just reading the interview of Seb with Bernie on the F1 website. Seb is just a down-to-earth guy who loves racing at it's purest and I really like that about him. No nonsense and he is as pure and honest as they get. A Senna quote comes to mind.....
That is also the impression I get of him and he will continue to only get better at perfecting his racecraft yet we must not forget he is in a chassis that is looking too be the class of the field two years running. Another thought just occured to me is Sebs connection with Schumi and will that be a major player in seasons to come? The rumour floating around for sometime is that if Schumi does retire from driving he will/may take on another roll within the team and could convince Seb to join his outfit. If I was Seb that option is something that would be on my highest priority list for the future. Image Unavailable, Please Login Image Unavailable, Please Login
Why would Vettel want to leave a top team to drive for a midfield team like MB? Because of the career coaching he would get from MS? Puleaze. Unlike (all?) most other drivers, Vettel doesn't have a manager. He is his own manager and look how far that brought him. I doubt he is hot on getting advice from retired F1 drivers or anybody else for that matter.
I would agree with you if there had been no previous agreement, but that's not how the story went down: Webber didn't leave Vettel any room because he was fighting for position, fair enough if you are under no team orders. Vettel thought that the team had meanwhile advised Webber to move over and didn't expect any resistance, hence his aggressive move. Remember how Vettel was making the kokoo move (finger tipping his temple) right after they crashed? From his perspective it was unconceivable that Webber drove into him after being told to let him through. Once he was back in the pits they sorted out the situation and there was no more open hostility between the drivers.
Hmm lets take a different approach ok? RBR will not always be the top team and Merc will not always be a midfield team. Merc has the the brains with not only a great team manager but a 7 time WDC winner who is a master at car setup. If I am not mistaken (cannot find the reference) Vettel now has a manager? I would rather take advice from a 7 time WDC than to toss and turn in bed at night thinking "Crap I should have asked this or that".
RBR will not always be top, agreed. However I don't see MB ever building a WDC winning car. I don't see what kind of advice he could get from MS. Or any other driver for that matter. He is on his way to become a 2 time WDC, so what else is there to learn? He could certainly use the services of a manager dealing with the merchandising aspects of the sport. But those guys are normally very different from the drivers. Or to put it differently: I have yet to see an ex F1 driver doing anything useful within a team past his time as a driver. Lauda was a part time consultant and eventually dismissed, Prost's team went belly up, Fittipaldi's team ditto, Berger is doing ok/soso with TR but wants to get out. Bottom line is: Driver, team manager and driver manager are 3 very different career paths requiring different skills and personalities.
