2011 Honda Indy Toronto ***SPOILERS***

Without proof/confirmation, then its just rumor and hearsay.

No point in discussing it if its defamation rumor. There have been too many reputations called into question over this.

 

Um, yeah, like I'm going to reveal my sources and undermine their careers just so I can satisfy this thread. The posters in this thread know that I'm not entirely full of **** and I'm won't reveal any more than that.

Based on what I know and how I got it, I'm fairly certain Robin Miller and a few others have the same information that I do.

 

Indeed, I just had confirmation of some of the story from a person who was there working.

The truth is out there, and quite a few people know what really happened.

 

No, I don't believe PT's accounts were hacked either. I believe PT hopped online to report what the rumors were that were flying around "the paddock". Then, when he got into trouble, he had to do some back pedaling.

Personally, I don't believe the rumors at all. If all these people "in and around the paddock" were working, then how would they have been in earshot range of Target's CEO telling Randy to rescind the penalty?

Furthermore, Randy Miller is laughing about the situation because he says at the time Randy was walking around, doing his job, and had no idea any of this was even going on.

 

Something else to consider here folks. Target attended the race in Toronto because they are about to move into Canada and open several stores there. Target has been a sponsor of Ganassi Racing for more than 20 years. They are well aware that drivers receive penalties, have mechanical failures or suffer from DNFs. It's part of racing.

Do you really think they would try to influence the outcome of a race by demanding a penalty be rescinded; giving their Scottish driver a better shot at winning; and ticking off the entire Canadian population when you have 3 Canadians in the race? Yeah, right. That would have been a great marketing move.

 

If the truth is out there and quite a few people know what really happened, why isn't it be told in a legitimate, news worth way? The only place this shows up is on forums.

B-mak...I don't know you from Adam, nor do you know me, but I did not say you were full of it. I have no beef with you in any way, shape or form. Its just if people are going to post information that could be construed as defamation, et al, then back it up with proof. "Where's the Beef?" Make sense?

 

Fair enough. I just wondered in you worked in racing in some capacity, that's all.

 

News flash: Credibility was lost in 1996.

 

And the source: http://www.indystar.com/article/20110715/SPORTS01/107150343/TV-misreport-penalty-triggers-new-procedures?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Sports

 

I guess since Cornbread and b-mak are all in the know, it would make sense to send an email to Randy to let him know what is being said here so he can follow-up accordingly. I'm sure they'd be happy to share their insider knowledge with the actual man involved.

Just thought it might be helpful to the investigation.

 

An insider's perspective is always refreshing to hear, we could use more of that in the F1 section.

 

Precisely! Fchat to the rescue! All the world's problems are solved here!

 

That's so true! My race team has an open door policy for Casey. He can drive our cars any time and prove his mettle.

 

BTW...what constitutes an "insider" anyways? Sometimes I'm an "insider". I'm sitting inside my house while I am typing this. Sometimes I'm an "outsider" though, you know, when I'm sitting on the deck with the laptop, you know, outside.



Oh yea, Randy told me directly it never happened.

 

Doesn't it make sense that the officials would want to investigate the incident absolutely as soon as possible, with the possibility of issuing a drive-through penalty? Shouldn't be any question there. And once they reviewed the tapes, they would see that Dario did NOT ram into Power from behind, and did not deserve a penalty, so they did not announce a penalty?

I don't see why there's a problem here, or a "loss of credibility", at least regarding this particular decision. If a drive-through was ever OFFICIALLY declared, it would have been perfectly clear to everyone involved, and a black flag would have been displayed.

 

Bingo!

The problem got bad when Paul Tracy/hacker posted on another forum accusing Race Control of reversing the penalty(which never happened) to impress Target Corp Mgmt(not needed and not done). PT has since stated that the tweets and posts were not him as his accounts were hacked. Race Control said there never was a penalty, so it was impossible to rescind.

So the only people still saying that this fictitious penalty and rescission exist are internet posters. Like Cornbread and b-mak on here.

I believe that the situation is a result of announcers screwing up and reporting a misunderstanding. (New procedure now in place to prevent it from happening again). Race Control realized the TV folks were incorrectly reporting, so Little Al got to the broadcast booth to squash the misinformation.

Then toss in the drivers, teams, etc all acting like school kids and grabbing incorrect information and passing it along as if factual, then situation blew out of proportion.

So following that, since there never was a penalty, it makes it impossible to rescind something that never happened. Then toss on people making public statements about wrong doing, fixing a sporting event, etc. There is a case for Libel and Slander.

That is not good for the series which is changing and growing. TV numbers are increasing. Attendance is increasing.

 

Really? What did I say exactly?

Be sure you get the facts straight so you're eligible for your Pulitzer.

 

FACT 1 - Cornbread begins the rumor

FACT 2 - b-mak states he can confirm facts

FACT 3 - IndyFan mentions PT's accounts possibly hacked, and asks b-mak for confirmation of the implied facts.

FACT 4 - b'mak refuses to confirm any facts

FACT 5 - b-mak again refuses to confirm any facts also brings Robin Miller into mix

FACT 6 - cornbread claims to have further confirmation, but nothing presented as to what can be confirmed.

QUESTION - If "quiet a few people know what really happened", why isn't anyone talking about it other than anonymous people on forums? If its true that there is corruption, then where are the whistle blowers?

Read the above. Unless your account was hacked by the same person that supposedly got to PT, you wrote the above stating you have facts.

So when do I get that Pulitzer? LOL!

 

Moving forward now...VERSUS is saying they will be showing that a situation is being reviewed by race control. In addition, Race Control has a new procedure to notify broadcasting of a penalty situation. RC repeats twice, broadcast repeats back to RC, the if all jives, broadcast can announce.

All about checks and balances. Verify what needs to be said is actually said. I see this as good news in moving forward.

 

For what it is worth, I was sitting in "C" grandstand at turn 3, and it was announced over the P.A. that race control were"looking into" imposing a penalty. We waited for it, but it never came, nor was it ever confirmed over the P.A. It seems to me that stewards "look into" penalties all the time in Nascar and F1, sometimes handing them out, sometimes not. No penalty was ever confirmed to those of us in attendance.