MB next year? Not so fast says Haug

Every year around this time we hear Haug explain why they aren't quite ready yet, but that next year the new car will change things. Well, not quite.

This year he actually took several steps back saying that even by next year the new car will not guarantee podiums and wins:

http://www.speedweek.ch/Formel1/news/21180/Haug-bittet-um-Geduld.html

He now talks about a 5 year plan, compairing MB to RB, who needed 5 years to get to their first victory. In other words: Schumacher's comeback won't bear any fruit unless MS would extend it...

«Ich rede nicht über irgendeinen Zeitpunkt in zwei Jahren, sondern über einen längeren Zeitraum. Wenn man es in weniger als fünf Jahren schafft, ohne masslos Geld hineinzupumpen – was Teams in der Vergangenheit gemacht haben –, dann ist das wirklich etwas Besonderes.»

Translation:
"I don't speak about a particular point in time in 2 years, but about a longer period of time. If you can do it in less than 5 years without pumping a ton of money into it - as teams have done so in the past - then this is really something special."

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This reminds me of Dr. Theissen at BMW who first talked about a 3 year plan to WDC: First year constant results and podiums, second year victories and third year the title. As none of that materialized he started to extend the time horizon year after year until the BMW board pulled the plug.

I see a lot of parallels with MB.

 

Thats the advantage of buying an existing team.
One that won the WDC IIRC.

 

Indeed. Merc and Haug run that successfully into the ground.

 

Apparently the "second coming" has been delayed due to technical issues.

 

It is fascinating what a big car manufacturer achieves vs a privateer:

Years of also runs with Honda -> Brawn takes ownership and wins the title the same year -> Years of midfield results with Mercedes

 

Can't argue with that, seems they need that something/someone special, to many cooks spoil the broth.

 

When you're a small F1 team, then:
Corporate money is good. Corporate control is bad.

As simple as that.

I'm amazed that the the "big ones" still haven't figured that one out. Porsche, Jaguar, Honda, Ford, BMW, Mercedes, they were/are all disasters. Renault remains the exception to the rule (but they too took two separate attempts to get there).

Brawn masterminded 1 Honda, 2 Benetton and 5 Ferrari titles. You'd think Mercedes would give the guy some space to operate in.

 

Or
"a camel is a horse designed by a committee"

 

Brawn wins with a car and funding for development via Honda. That is a manufacturers victory not a Brawn victory. The car was light years ahead of all other teams due to the fact that HONDA poured in the resources the year before and produced the car. No question about the source of the car or its development funding.

Williams has done what lately?

 

Please don't let the truth get in the way of one of Tifo's stories! lol

I'd love to know if Honda is annoyed they quit one year too early.....although could they still have done it with their engine?

Rhetorical, of course.

 

I do agree with you, but I wonder what the specifics are as to what Brawn would like to do that Mercedes isn't letting him do?

All the best,
Andrew.

 

How'd you miss Godzilla ?

 

I think if I was MS I'd call it quits after this season after this news. He's said in previous interviews that the goal is to first get podiums, then win races then fight for the WDC and WCC. Now the boss of Mercedes benz Motorsport has said that probably isn't going to happen, why would he stay?

 

I was thinking the same thing. What if they had waited 1 more year. The grid might be a bit different.

For all the talk of Brawn and his genius, he's not having much luck applying the magic at Mercedes....wait! Maybe next year MS saying the same thing.

 

I'm sure he could give you 20 million [euro] reasons...

 

Personally I still believe that given a half decent car , Michael will start winning again.
That current car is a donkey!

 

Except that Brawn only had half a car when he took it over from Honda. Honda would have continued with their lame engine. Besides: we simply don't know when and by whom the super diffuser was invented.


As for Williams: in the last ten years only two titles were won by big car manufacturers. Or should I say 40 years?

 

A sad statement, but I don't believe he is in it for money.

He came back to win the title with his fav team and friends.

 

Whom did I miss?

I'm sure my list was not comprehensive.

 

Is'm translator, part 4, I'm guessing Toyota.

Cheers,
Ian

 

When Ferrari became just another component of Fiat they stopped being small. The Honda Brawn inherited was fully developed and it began the year before prior to Honda exiting the grid. Cursory research on the web shows 15+ months development none of which Brawn paid for.

It showed up and became the fastest car in testing and won the first 6 races. When did Brawn ever develop the car to any degree after Honda and with what resources? They didn't have to as it was done for them. They begged for sponsors the entire season as the bare white paint reminded.

Do you consider Mclaren small, private and underfunded. Bottom line you need big money to win big or small team so the distinction is moot. I dont buy the myth of Brawn Honda as a small team winning. Its not a myth that should be promoted as its simply not true.

 

Spot on , I-man!!

Originating from the land of the Rising Sun and somewhat substantial.

Thought their budget in F1 was, umm...,terrifying.......

 

Amazing how much fun you can have while getting good sized paychecks.

 

I'm not promoting a small shop myth. Of course you need big money and a 500 person team in F1.

But you also need the independence in decision making, the direct and flat command and communication structures missing in a big corporate environment.

As Vizsla said death by committee.

FIAT is big but Ferrari racing operates very independently. Therein lies the difference and I bet Renault II operated that way as opposed to Renault I.

 

I would have fun but I doubt somebody sitting on half a billion dollars with 7 titles in hand cares much about 20 million while getting his ass handed to him every race