Nothing at all of late. But in its day it was vile, with not a peep from either moderators or pontificators, and of course nobody banned or warned. The xenophobic rants of the British tabloids were elevated to a F1 doctoral level, Everything about FA was fair game (including his nationality and name), the spy gate scandal was (and still is) shamefully reinterpreted, and his treatment at the hands of RD entirely ignored. It was just par for the course then; even the announcement that he was coming to Ferrari was called a biblical end-time prediction and a sure sign of the coming rapture. That's when I learned to use the IGNORE function. Why oh why is it so difficult for some people here ????????? If somebody consistently posts what you consider drivel or a bother, well then... PUT THEM ON IGNORE!!!!! If you don't like what I say, well then... PUT ME ON IGNORE!!!!!!!!!!! No need to get offended, no need to insult in return: JUST IGNORE!!!!!!! But no, people would rather get all bent out of shape, act shocked, censor, ban, and pontificate about "the Good old days" when nobody questioned LH's coming sainthood. Steve, that's how I think and feel. I am quite simply repulsed by the actual double standard shown by moderators and "experts", SRT Mike's cryptic innuendo notwhithstanding. Agreed, agreed, and agreed. Cheers!
Yes thats it SDC, one can hope lesson has been learnt. MS not sure, the Shoe himself said we are all human... so I assume its a human error somewhere, not sure though.
Nothing has been deleted from this thread. SDC was banned for a few days for posting a thread with a spoiler title. That's ban-worthy regardless of who does it. The ban had nothing to do with any conversation regarding LH's alleged driving abilities.
Ok Julio, no worries, a couple of things, Ignore is not the whole answer as folk can still see the posts when they have been re quoted, just so damn annoying and there is no need for it. As regards to Alonso, he is a fanastic driver make no mistake about it, and only a fool would not agree, however he is no saint, IMO.. ..but that could be said about a lot of the top drivers...thats why they are top. Mindless bashing of any driver I never really understand or get, however light hearted banter and joking around all in good fun, no problem for me. Me and you have butted heads I think in the past, but I never felt it was bad just normal. Ferrari and Alonso the planets have lined up for you Julio enjoy it ...
Yes Steve, enjoying it tremendously, but the planets are not yet entirely lined up... For that we still have to wait for the WDC! Last year was close!
Ahh, OK, thanks. [The way Steve said thanks for the clean up put me on the wrong path it seems.] Cheers, Ian
Julio, as you might know I have been an Alonso fans since his days at Minardi and I've been on his side in the F1 forum all the time. You are referring to one individual who made obscene and grotesque attacks on Fernando. He also did a lot of other inappropriate posts and eventually was permabanned by one of the mods (wasn't me as I was battling with him). So yes, Fernando got a lot of negative hits on here, but the worst offenders are gone and since he is with Ferrari most folks on here keep a positive attitude about him anyway. Ferrarichat doesn't take permabans lightly. While some posts are offensive, it is the repeated pattern of behavior that eventually gets somebody tossed out. It happened recently with another member who was very abusive in his tone to other members. And therein lies a hint: As mods we don't really care what driver/team you support or hate but we do care on how you treat your fellow FChatters.
Julio, you know I am a big Alonso fan, and was extremly disappointed last year when he didn't win the championship, due to faulty strategy on the part of the team. I also enjoy a healthy dose of banter with the guys on here. But some guys just come on to post things to stir things up, insead of intelligent debate. Usually, these guys are non subscribed without filling out any profile. It has made coming to the F1 section, less bearable, as who wants to deal with their constant nonsense. It seems like the Mods are getting more involved, thankfully. If you don't like Hamilton, or McLaren fine, you have a right too. But when every single post refers to him in a derogatory way, what is the point?
I find some of the comments here strange. I in no way support the inane postsof those wishing to rile things up. However, I have made posts in this forum several times, which reflect my opinion on the subject of the thread, which I am guessing is the point of a forum. As soon as I post, I seem to have the same 2 or 3 people niggling a me, trying to pick a fight. I think it's this intolerance that causes many issues here, not necessarily always the posts themselves. If I post and say I thought a penalty was right, and you don't think so, argue why it was of course, but replying with something derogatory like 'here comes mr clueless' would be totally uncalled for, and I suggest it is offensive. Certainly, it's not something any of us would put up with face to face, and likely the poster would not be so bold in person
Believe me, the "management" does see that - it's just very hard to draw the line and actually police it. First approach is very soft, with gradual escalation as we become increasingly sure that the poster is doing it deliberately to incite rather than simply having an odd style. If we clamp down too hard, we stifle joviality. If we don't do enough, some are upset by ungentlemanly posts from others. The necessity of getting it right is not lost upon the moderators, it's just that it's very hard to get it right. I thought we went over this in PM...? People are free to criticise Lewis Hamilton, as he does do a lot of things both on and off the track that are worthy of criticism - however, you must argue your point in a way that doesn't deliberately provoke his fans and gloat about his catastrophes over their heads. These same rules apply to every other driver on the grid. Julio, I am dismayed that you are so disappointed with the efforts of the moderators. As I have said previously, the recent crack-down upon inciting/gloating posts has coincided with a recognition that more needs to be done to curtail certain types of posts and the subsequently addition of new moderators to the section. This is something that you had strongly requested - so it is a little frustrating that old ground is still being complained about when we have reset the standards, forbidden a repeat of the type of name-calling/provocation you found objectionable, and are now trying very hard to curtail similar offences (albeit with another driver). However, as I am a new moderator to the section, I won't be drudging through old posts that pre-date my appointment by months and years to see that they conform to current standards. Quite frankly, there's enough to be getting on with now - it's a very active section and sometimes dealing tactfully with a single incident can consume an entire afternoon (as it has done with me on numerous occasions). It is not a double-standard in regards to Lewis Hamilton, it just so happens that the driver currently being focused on by disruptive posters is Lewis Hamilton. If someone makes a recent trolling comment about another driver, then the current standards will equally apply to those posts as well. Show me a current infringement and I will deal with it without bias. All the best, Andrew.
Understood Andrew, and thank you for your clear argumentation. That being said, I will not bring this issue up ever again, unless of course the worst and most racist of past offenders ever posts in this section again. If that happens I might well have to earn my first ban (I hope not permanent!). Cheers, Julio
Absolutely, I laughed because it was karma, I didnt agree with his reprimand when it was clear he had a fair input in causing the issues with PM, and the bias from the British press/TV is annoying to say the least. And back when my comment on Button was made, he had in my opinion proved nothing except that he got quite lucky, it seemed as all the races he ran well at were in changeable conditions. Even I am man enough to admit he seems to have got to grips with the McLaren that in my opinion, he hadnt really done to the extent before, and is now delivering some great results - good luck to him, and I hope it continues for the guy. He is someone who knuckles down and works rather than makes excuses, and he has certainly changed my opinion of him on current form. However, a good run doesnt make a GREAT driver, even Irvine looked good in certain races, yet none of us would put him in the mould of a Schumi or Alonso. Where Button is concerned, I think McLaren have found a way to capitalise on his undoubted talent that previously was only demonstrated by a car that was the class of the field at that time. Unfortunately, with people like yourself tearing into people when they post an alternative opinion to yours, you are, whether intentionally or not, encouraging those people to come back at you and then, the edges get blurred as it becomes a point of contention. I certainly feel when I see you post after me that there is going to be little constructive said, and being just as entitled as you to an opinion, I end up defending my position. I am absolutely sure that I have just as much experience and knowledge of the sport as you, so I would hope we can find some common ground whereby a bit of banter is fine, but the personal nature of the comments are minimised.
Just to clarify... at the time Tillman posted, nothing was deleted from the thread. However, since then, I have gone through and made a few tactful removals and edits to try to keep this thread on track. There have been no bans issued for interactions in this thread, although all are reminded to keep their comments firmly upon F1 and not veer onto assessments of one another's character. All the best, Andrew.
No worries Andy, a thankless task you have, but your doing great IMO. Just the droning on of a certain poster with the same old theme wears me down...after a bit.
