MS vs Hamilton in Monza *** SPOILER***

I think the photo with MS and LH is after MS had already gone to the left to defend the inside line, that he moved back to the right to get on the racing line....which is where LH was now heading. There is some doubt, it seems, as to whether that is legal or not.

 

The multiple moves were later in the lap. When Lewis mowed the lawn it was only one move:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzvXwXp01MM[/ame]

 

They could have slapped him with 20 seconds after the race, but they didn't -and you know the stewards love giving post-race penalties for stuff like this. I stand with Coulthard and most others in stating it could be argued either way. There are plenty of like-situations during races that are simply not seen or called but Michael is of course under the microscope so we see and know every move.

For people seeing this one way and one way only, throw the guy a bone. He held off a car 1 second quicker than his for half the race. How many drivers can do that? Besides, Ham is not crying about it. Had Ham finished behind Schu than I could possibly see a different outcome. The end justifies the means here.


And Kraftwerk, my apologies mate! One of my tongue-in-cheek moments there.


And of course perception defines reality. Hence the court of public opinion has spoken.....and in Schu's favor http://www.crash.net/f1/poll_results/147/should_schumacher_have_received_a_penalty.html

 

+1....in that pic, MS just slammed the door on Lewis a la his move on Rubens earlier this year.

 

What are you talking about? I think people were very balanced in their critique of Hamilton's weekend. It's amazing that a strawman can drive a Formula 1 car for this long.

Michael got away with one last Sunday. His own team chastised him for his behavior.

The Hamiltrolls kill me with the myopia. Andreas started an intelligent thread, and it contained cogent discussion points until you posted this. It's unneccesary. People were debating what happened, not pumping Hamilton or Schumacher sunshine.

Jeez...

 

Couldn't agree more. As another pointed out, the McLaren was short-geared, so LH couldn't make a run on MS. There was only two times I felt Michael crossed the line, but most of it was just good blocking.

The lack of complaining by Lewis says a lot to me...(like, the right people are talking to him and he's learning to respect his fellow gridmates)

 

In my opinion he made one questionable move, and only questionable due to the stupid rule, the double block going into the lesmo's. But even that wasn't that bad because lewis wasn't close to being along side him. The move in curva grande surely wasn't a double block, just lewis trying to put his car in the same place as MS's and MS didn't blink.

It was a great battle between two world champions and the master, despite being roughly one second slower, holding him back half the race. We had good, quality action for almost half the race and some(MS haters) are complaing? Give me a break.

Daly is just contradicting himself as a steward because he had every oppurtunity after the race(or second half of the race because anyone else notice once lewis got by MS, the race got extremely boring?) to penalize him. Why didn't he if he thought he needed it?

Only a big deal because it's MS. Stupid thread.

Alex

 

No true. Ham was fine with it because he ended the race in front of Schu. His words, not mine. Yes, he complained at the time, but that's racing and he of all people knows that.

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GankpTy4pCw&feature=related[/ame]

a mistake by MS, says Brawn.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bf96MubBcKM&feature=related[/ame]

 

Disagree. There was an article providing further insight into the demi-controversy from someone acting as an official in the race. I think that the majority of the forum was saying that MS got away with one from day one, but everyone seemed to also agree that it wasn't worth going back and penalizing him. There were, however, conflicting reports of the FIA's involvement and this gives us some clarity around what they were (or more appropriately "weren't") thinking about the Schu/Hamilton duel.

 

Lewis is learning to keep his mouth shut. It's a tough, but valuable lesson.

Clearly, he wasn't happy about the day's occurrences though...

 

MS should have been penalized? Alonso as well for forcing Vettel off track.

 

Well yes, but...

was he annoyed that MS held him up for so long potentially losing him the race?

Was he annoyed that, despite trying so hard for all those laps, button got past so easily?

Was he annoyed at the methods used by MS to keep him behind him?

Was he annoyed that Button beat him....again.

I'm not a mind reader, maybe someone else can enlighten us!

 

I just read the second article....ummm...it's a bit weird...it doesn't actually say MS broke a rule....just that he was very aggressive...and "'this style of driving is not what you want the future generation of drivers to perfect'."

really? umm..sorry....nothing to see here folks.

What rule did MS break that requires any punishment? Daly is referring to the move where LH ran off the track while trying to overtake MS. No mention of blocking or the 'two moves' rule. Looks like he's just enjoying the limelight.

 

^^^ sorry..just remembered....Daly's a Brit.

nuff said

 

I thought it was a good entertaining race. Reminded me of Imola 2005 and 2006. I mean, seriously, this is racing. That is what we all want to see. Not pulling a Vettel and running away from the field.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oK2uV9ApLts[/ame]

Damn i miss the V10s!

 

The amount of crashes Lewis got himself into, i think it was best he kept quite about this. Button got on easily. 'Nuff said.

Exactly. It was Webber should have been penalized, for throwing away Massa's race.

 

disclaimer im drunk as hellL

i thought it was good racing and good for the sport

 

some hamfisted overtaking attempts by LH made it an interesting race, unlike Button's move on MS which was spot on !

 

+1

It's very difficult to be unbiased all the time, infact, I'm pretty sure no one on here can do it. Some people try....others don't.

 

IMO I loved the Michael/Lewis fight it reminded me of great duels in the past and proved that Michael still got it if he had simply left Lewis through guys here would have slated him for that, you cant please all of the people all of the time

 

Daly......stewarding like he used to drive in F1.....weak, ineffective, a day late and a dollar short. In hindsight, Daly should have been WDC, but he wasn't.

How oblivious do you have to be as a steward to have missed a battle that went on for 27 laps and were the issue of blocking was discussed during the broadcast? Frankly, I don't buy the explanation of reviewing another incident. I think he felt at the time that it was very hard racing with an incident of tactical drift, but non blocking, but after hearing of all the discussion after the fact has sought to change his tune.....and the best explanation was "reviewing another incident".... Come on, has the DVR made it to Europe??? Were all the stewards reviewing another incident, or just Daly and the rest felt the move OK as they watched?

Better to have said "after reviewing this race again, I now feel MS should have been penalized...In hindsight I think we made and error". That at least would have been a respectable explanation....not the weaseling pablum that has been put out.