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Annoying loud rattle in my 355

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  1. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

    Nov 3, 2003
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    Hi

    I have this really loud rattle vibration sound coming from the engine bay of my 355..... It only happens when i come off the gas...as soon as i go back on the gas it immediately stops....does not happen in neutral....only when in gear......and sometimes it doesn't happen at all.....generally once the car is hot it will start.....doesn't happen when cold....

    I have a Capristo exhaust bypass valve.....could it be this?.....

    How do i disconnect this valve just to see if the rattle stops?

    Thanx for any help....it's driving me mad....
     
  2. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

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    There are any number of things in the bay that can rattle:
    a) exhaust header heat shield
    b) muffler heat shield
    c) bypass valve
    d) anthing aftermarked pop-rivited in the bay
    e) loose exhaust clamp (heck, loose anything)
    f) engine (or tranny) mount allows metal to metal contact

    Put the car in a safe position, warm, and have someone hold the enigne at the speed where the rattle is evident. Then you get to poke and prod around the bay to see what is causing the noise.
     
  3. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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    Mitch

    The rattle only happens when the car is in gear....any gear....having it in neutral will not make the rattle happen

    Howard
     
  4. Arturin

    Arturin Karting

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    I once had a rattle that was louder than the engine at 8500rpm w/tubi exhaust and test pipes. It ended up being a bolt in the exhaust hanger that was loose. I still can believe a single bolt could make such a noise.
     
  5. f355spider

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    There is still a lot of stuff you can check (safely) with the engine off, and cool. I would also check the heat shields on the Y pipe, I had an issue with that and had them tack welded down. Not easy since the shield metal is quite thin.

    Just look carefully, and check all the exhaust brackets, as it is possible one vibrated loose or is broken. Then muffler clamps are expecially fragile and rattle really bad when broken...of coure Hill Engineering makes suitable replacements that are much stronger.
    Tapping gently with a rubber mallet or handle of a screwdriver can help find the resonance that creates the rattle sometimes.
     
  6. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

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    A) when you depress the clutch pedal the noise stops? {yes, no}
    B) when the gear selector is in neutral the noise stops? {yes, no}
     
  7. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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    Thanks gor all your suggestions....i will have good look for loose bolts,etc....

    Mitch......when i depress the clutch yes the noise stops...but is that just because the engine note changes thus stopping the vibration....or is it because there is a problem with the clutch mechanism?
    And when the selector is in neutral there is no noise

    Any ideas?

    Howard
     
  8. Labman

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    Same problem with mine. It is driving me nuts! Only when engine is real hot. It happens when accelerating and decelerating. I found as f355spider suggested, my y-pipe heat shield was loose and rattling. I secured it with a hose clamp so I couldn't move it anymore by hand. Thought for sure that was it. NO! Still something rattling. Being that it happens when it's hot makes me think it has to be a heat shield somewhere because everything expands when it's hot. So something is loosening up. Interested to see what you find. My car is in the shop at Bradan and they guys are tack welding the y-pipe shield. Let see if that is still the culprit.
     
  9. f355spider

    f355spider F1 World Champ
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    I had one nagging exhaust rattle (also only when hot) that was intermittent for two or three years...it finally started happening often enough I took it to the good folks at Ferrari of Seattle, and they diagnosed a loose baffle inside my factory oem exhaust. They replaced it with a known good, low mileage used one.
     
  10. Labman

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    Anyway to diagnose that with the muffler still in the car? How did they find it was that?
     
  11. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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    Labman

    Please let us know if it was the Y pipe causing the problem after it has been welded tight.

    Howard
     
  12. billyfitness

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    That's what mine is. After tapping with a rubber mallet with air boxes off, exhaust heat shield off, sticking a camera inside the Tubi, and grabbing certain pieces to eliminate the sound, it is a loose baffle inside the muffler.
    Time for a new muffler!

    -Billy
     
  13. eyboro

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    I would also check to see if the inside wheel well covers are loose. Mechanics don't always secure them as they should. just stick you hand and tap on them and see if they rattle.
     
  14. f355spider

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    I am not positive, I would suspect they had a couple guys working on it and listened for the noise with the engine lid up? I am pretty certain they did not take the muffler off to diagnose the problem.
     
  15. Rorie

    Rorie Formula Junior

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    I'd check the airboxes to make sure that they are secure. The rubber mounts they are on have a habit of ripping apart, and the airboxes can rattle when the car is accelerating. That is what happened to me.
     
  16. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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    Thanx

    Not the air boxes.....or the wheel arches.....i give up......maybe the heat shield on the Y piece or the larini silencer has a baffle loose

    Have it in the shop now.....they will investigate and i will let u all know the result

    Howard
     
  17. Labman

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    Not the air boxes on mine either. Can't wait til you find out. I'm betting it's the y-pipe heat shield as I think mine is. Not sure even a spot weld will stop the rattling.
     
  18. butch355

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    I had a bad rattle in my muffler from my OE cats going bad sending parts into the muffler years ago.

    The sound went away with high flow cats from Mr. Helms and the junk finally shot out of the muffler after a year or so or just finally broke apart enough.....
     
  19. eyboro

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    Put your ear by to the gear box when engine is running, I bet the clutch disk is making the noise.
     
  20. lotusk

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    Looks like it was a fixing bracket that held a heat shield in place that was loose and it was rubbing against the water pump or power steering pulley .....will know more tomorrow after test drive
     
  21. Culprit

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    I get a rattle when the car runs hot too. In my case it is caused by the exhaust bypass valve vibrating. Should cause no issues aside from the noise
     
  22. Labman

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    If it is the bypass valve, wouldn't it rattle at idle too? My rattle is only when real hot and under load. Can't get it to rattle when just revving it in my garage when I come back from a cruise. This is why it's so hard for me to find.
     
  23. lotusk

    lotusk Formula 3

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    yes....loud rattle gone now.it was a bracket rubbing against a pulley on the front of the engine..................bracket held a heat shield between engine and rear bulkhead..........when coming off the gas the engine must have moved forward a tiny bit which caused the pulley to hit the bracket.....or when going on the gas the engine may have moved away from the bracket....anyways......moved the bracket towards the front of the car by 2mm and solved.........
     

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