Difference between 360 and 430 challenge

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and I took a stab at the HP of the car......not a bad guess really

 

I'm no expert on Michellotto stuff, 360C is your man for that. All I know about them is that they are highly tuned and require a hellova lot more money and maint than standard. And the difference between the wong car and mine is about 2.5 to 3 seconds per lap at Mallala....he has more drive time behind the wheel and a better sorted car....and he is a better driver than me.....do I notice the time difference? Nope, but as I said speed is a question of money....his has had a shizen load more spent on it thus should be quicker.

 

which one? which 360C?

A michellotto has different body panels, different front and rear bar, exhaust, sequential gear box, plus god knows what else.

Like i said ask me about 360CH's, Michellotto's are not my cuppa tea

and there is no way you could drive a michellotto on the street......way too low

 

the other thing to remember is that the scuderia and 458 have the hand of god looking after the driver, the driver aids make the cars very useable and can make a very average driver look good........a 360CH has ABS and ASR, it has no stability control thus its quite raw...when the ASR is switched off the ABS is also switched off, at that point its a very very raw race car and driving ability comes into play..

Anyone with half a brain can drive a scuderia or 458 around a track and do impressive times, driving a 360CH with driver aids off in the rain makes for fun and games.

 

I am sorry if I offended you - it was uncalled for.

However, within your first handful of posts on here, you indicated you wanted to buy a 360 or 430 Challenge and asked some salient questions.

Then you said you would import a 360 Straddle (sic)

Unfortunately it went downhill from there - when one of the (very) few 360CH owners on the planet, and certainly the only one in Australia, that has both road & track experience of a 360CH offers a wealth of information to you, you discount it by 60%.

Interesting that you have driven both a 430 Scud & 458 Italia on the track - you must be well connected.

I wish you well with your purchase, whatever it turns out to be.

 

and a stradale is a road car, it has air con and other luxuries that the CH has zilch of.

JM.......I am happy to give information because it was a learning curve for us and still learning. What I dont get is the whole road aspect of having a CH to drive it on the road, a stradale will do everything a CH does with proper rego.
But Mike did say....buy a CH and normal 360 and still have change in the bank.....

A 360CH is a race car, nothing more nothing less, driving it on the road means having to deal with police (exhaust noise), the inability to park the thing (cant see out the back), hates reversing (brass clutch), no key for ignition, very few came with keys to lock the doors (we even had rods made to lock the sliding windows), pad locks are required for bonnet and boot (no proper locks), no fuel gauge (it doesnt work..hence sat nav is needed to work out km driven), no odometer, no hand brake, no inertia reel seat belts (makes rego impossible), no sunvisor and when the brembo's wear they rattle.....


or just buy a scuderia.......hand of god car
or stick with the 800hp (belch) subaru

 

out of your budget.......they will collapse in due time.....like every ferrari

 

sooo go buy one



I have lots of parts for sale

 

Hi Goober

I may have a buyer for your parts.

How much do you want for them?

JM

 

I only sell to clients I know and they pay in Euro.

Wannabe's and could-have-beens dont get into the inner sanctum of the warehouse

 

Hi Trainwrex (what a name...)

The difference between a challenge and a GT is big, but nevertheless try a good 360 GT! The prices are very realistic and not much more than a good Challenge, but the advantages are huge. It is a very special car, only a few made so depriciation will be less. Maintenance is ok, just dont crash it. The sound of the Michelotto tuning and exhaust is very different than a Challende and the funfactor tripple than that of a Challenge.
I know Brunel (he is close to the aussies..) knows one for sale, pm him. It is/was from a guy who was afraid in the GT....

Tracktime with the GT is worth every second, and quite easy to drive as long as you have the right setup and tyres.
ciao
Oscar

ps a 360 CH with Michelotto parts will never be a GT!

 

No links, just contact the ones for sale.
They probably ask huge prices, but making a good offer might work.

And as I mentioned, contact Birel.

ciao
Oscar

 

i heard the same thing from a buddy who has tracked or owned all of the latest iterations (360ch, 430ch, 458ch). he obviously likes his 458ch, but he said it was a much more technical car to drive, and for sheer fun the 360ch was the best. his gripe with the 430 was that it somehow didnt handle as well, and that the power may be too much for the chassis. i am seeing him again in a few days so will ask for more detail.

but, the reason i am joining the discussion is to find out if a 360ch, with the added splitter and wing, is as effective as the 360gt cars that came that way from the factory - or did they add other stuff that has not been mentioned on this thread?

 

As good as a 360 Challenge is the GT/N-GT/GTC cars are real racing cars and very different from a challenge car.

My 360 GTC has a a wider front track, sequential Hewland 'box, close to 500 bhp without the restrictors and weighs 1000 kgs.

Need I say more?

 

Yes

The highly developed(e.g. Michelotto) FIA 360GT cars are very differnent than the 360CH...and IMHO are very decent race cars and the price difference reflects the degree of speciality developement on the GT vs a 360CH.

 

To the best of my knowledge you can't run it without restrictors as the engine management isn't mapped for it. Michelotto have never done a programme to suit no restrictors as the car is inelligible to race without them.

Have you scaled your GTC at 1000kg ? Seems pretty light as my N-GT was further developed and lightened when it was run by Veloqx. Lighter weight panels again and titanium fastners throughout, dash supports removed, even the window frames are modified beyond Michelotto issue. It scales at about 1050kg without the ballast, so 1000kg seems odd?
My car also runs the hewland sequential and I was told it was a development that Veloqx did with Michelotto; but who knows. Mine was certainly one of the first to race with the hewland, and it runs a different gearbox casing to the later cars.

 

Car weighs in right around 1000. It was the presentation car so maybe and as always special efforts were made. There is a difference between the N-GTs and the GTCs though.
as to the engine, well it has no restrictors and I only allow my fi
Reindeer Cristiano Michelotto to touch it and I have a spare engine with no restrictors....

As it is a track day car and no longer eligible for racing, I don't mind!
As to the engine, well

 

So this is your car then?

If it weighed in at 1000kg's on the race scales that is very impressive. Perhaps your car was modified somewhere along the ownership chain like mine was.

Very intersting that it can run without restrictors, what step engine is currently in it ?
If Cristiano is looking after it I guess anything is possible That's an advantage of being in Europe too. We are rather a long way from Michelotto down here.

Lots of detail between the N-GT (first 360 GT car) and the GTC (last 360 GT car) as you say.
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My car during it's Veloqx team racing days and today in it's quiet retirement
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