Renault R5 turbo thread

JeremyJon · Sep 7, 2017

i see there isn't a thread just for this car......i don't quite understand why, but something in me finds it kool! would i include it in my top 10 cars list?? dunno, but definitely it would be in my top 50 list

only a couple of threads, but none dedicated;
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=188442&highlight=R5+turbo
http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?t=187757&highlight=R5+turbo

in respect, it did have some good racing history....
...so here is a bunch of pics and info dedicated to this model, enjoy!

http://www.evo.co.uk/features/features/223527/renault_5_turbo.html

Wikipedia said:

The Renault 5 Turbo or R5 Turbo is a high-performance hatchback automobile launched by the French manufacturer Renault at the Brussels Motor Show in January 1980. The car was designed for rallying, but was also sold in road-going guise, with a total of 3576 being produced during its four-year production run.
In response to Lancia's rallying success with the mid-engined Stratos, Renault's Jean Terramorsi, vice-president of production, asked Bertones Marc Deschamps to design a new sports version of the Renault 5 Alpine supermini. The distinctive new rear bodywork was styled by Marcello Gandini at Bertone.[2]

Although the standard Renault 5 has a front-mounted engine, the 5 Turbo featured a mid-mounted 1397 cc Cléon turbocharged engine placed behind the driver in mid-body in a modified Renault 5 chassis. In standard form, the engine developed 160 PS (118 kW; 158 hp) and 163 ft·lb (221 N·m) torque.

Though it used a modified body from a standard Renault 5, and was badged a Renault 5, the mechanicals were radically different, the most obvious difference being rear-wheel drive instead of the normal version's front-wheel drive. At the time of its launch it was the most powerful production french car.[3] The first 400 production 5 Turbos were made to comply with Group 4 homologation to allow the car to compete in international rallies, and were manufactured at the Alpine factory in Dieppe.
Once the homologation models were produced, a second version named Turbo 2 was introduced using more stock Renault 5 parts replacing many of light alloy components in the original 5 Turbo version.[1] The Turbo 2 was less expensive, but had nearly the same levels of performance, top speed of 200 km/h (120 mph) and 0-100 km/h in 6.6 seconds.[4] In retrospect, the original 5 Turbo was called "Turbo 1".
All the racing derivatives were based on the Turbo 1. The factory pushed the engine output up to 180 PS (132 kW; 178 hp) for the Critérium des Cévennes, 210 PS (154 kW; 207 hp) for the Tour de Corse, and by 1984 as much as 350 PS (257 kW; 345 hp) in the 5 Turbo Maxi.[citation needed]
Driven by Jean Ragnotti in 1981, the R5 Turbo won the Monte Carlo Rally on its first outing in the World Rally Championship. The 2WD R5 turbo soon faced the competition of new Group B four-wheel drive cars that proved faster on dirt.
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XR4Tim · Dec 23, 2011

It's in my top 15. I think I want to own just about every homologation rally car, but the R5 is definitely one of my favorites, and has been since I was about 5 years old.

Santiago Montenegro · Dec 23, 2011

I foolishly balked at the opportunity of buying a near perfect one. Stilll kicking myself over it.

prototypefan · Dec 23, 2011

These cars are insane......maybe a little of an acquired taste but oh so cool.

I was at the RM Amelia Island auction this year and there was an RS200 Evo, I was fortunate enough to get it. Not ten seconds after the auction a really cool collector out of Los Angeles approached me, his tastes are as ecclectic as mine and he asked if I wanted an R5 Turbo to compliment the RS200.

The owner is known for having some of the best examples extant. I expressed an interest but I did not know enough to immediately pull the trigger. The car sold by the time I got home and boy do I wish I had done my homework, these are crazy little cars.

It really is amazing at how each manufacturer come up with a solution for going fast. Long live the R5!!!!

rdefabri · Dec 23, 2011

I love them! I remember back in the day it was either that or a Shelby GLHS!

Reece · Dec 23, 2011

I love these cars so much. They are like an older version of the Clio Sport V6, one of my favorite cars.

JeremyJon · Dec 23, 2011

prototypefan said: ↑

These cars are insane......maybe a little of an acquired taste but oh so cool.

I was at the RM Amelia Island auction this year and there was an RS200 Evo, I was fortunate enough to get it. Not ten seconds after the auction a really cool collector out of Los Angeles approached me, his tastes are as ecclectic as mine and he asked if I wanted an R5 Turbo to compliment the RS200.

The owner is known for having some of the best examples extant. I expressed an interest but I did not know enough to immediately pull the trigger. The car sold by the time I got home and boy do I wish I had done my homework, these are crazy little cars.

It really is amazing at how each manufacturer come up with a solution for going fast. Long live the R5!!!!
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the RS200 is an amazing car, congrats on the buy ....and you were able to bring it into Canada? kool!

the R5 turbo is certainly ugly enough to be cool somehow LOL ....i don't know if could be road legal here, but given it's age maybe that's a non-issue now?

JeremyJon · Dec 23, 2011

rdefabri said: ↑

I love them! I remember back in the day it was either that or a Shelby GLHS!
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ya, i've had a few dodge turbo cars...they fit my student budget LOL
including a GLHS clone (GLT with 2.5 T2 setup +) and my last one a SRT4....great fun for budget monie$

XR4Tim · Dec 23, 2011

garnet said: ↑

ya, i've had a few dodge turbo cars...they fit my student budget LOL
including a GLHS clone (GLT with 2.5 T2 setup +) and my last one a SRT4....great fun for budget monie$
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My '92 Spirit R/T is always fun at the stoplights. Nobody expects to lose to it.

XR4Tim · Dec 23, 2011

prototypefan said: ↑

I was at the RM Amelia Island auction this year and there was an RS200 Evo, I was fortunate enough to get it. Not ten seconds after the auction a really cool collector out of Los Angeles approached me, his tastes are as ecclectic as mine and he asked if I wanted an R5 Turbo to compliment the RS200.
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Would have been an awesome pair together.
I would love to see your RS200. What part of Alberta are you in?

ferraripete · Dec 23, 2011

i bought one from peter shomere (sp?) in jensen beach, fl back in 1985. it was the 260 hp engine option and had what they called the devil exhaust...also had gotti's.

i bought it under the one time exemption back in the day. it was a cool car but the turbo 2 was not as exotic as the turbo 1.

JeremyJon · Dec 23, 2011

ferraripete said: ↑

i bought one from peter shomere (sp?) in jensen beach, fl back in 1985. it was the 260 hp engine option and had what they called the devil exhaust...also had gotti's.

i bought it under the one time exemption back in the day. it was a cool car but the turbo 2 was not as exotic as the turbo 1.
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i was going to ask why, then re-read this:
makes sense now, so the turbo 1 were the homologation versions, with all the good "go fast" bits.....and the turbo 2 were more for market

i wonder what the weight difference was between them?

wiki said:

Once the homologation models were produced, a second version named Turbo 2 was introduced using more stock Renault 5 parts replacing many of light alloy components in the original 5 Turbo version.[1] The Turbo 2 was less expensive, but had nearly the same levels of performance, top speed of 200 km/h (120 mph) and 0-100 km/h in 6.6 seconds.[4] In retrospect, the original 5 Turbo was called "Turbo 1".
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JeremyJon · Dec 23, 2011

XR4Tim said: ↑

My '92 Spirit R/T is always fun at the stoplights. Nobody expects to lose to it.
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dohc t3 turbo motor, very nice!
my srt4 had many mods, suspension + stage3....but stock appearance, eventually i took the wing off it to (swapped for a stock neon trunk)....sleepers are great!

JeremyJon · Dec 23, 2011

it's funny you guys should have brought up dodge turbos.....i actually got hold of 2 lecars (free) and had the idea of building a R5 turbo, make fiberglass fenders, and use a dodge turbo drivetrain in the back.....never did do it, but still was a kool idea

more i think about it, i'd move an authentic R5 turbo 1 or maxi into my top 20 list!!

classic308 · Dec 28, 2011

I had no idea that Gandini had a hand in that car....I think he's brilliant...btw the R5 Turbo is w/o doubt one of my top 25 cars and I'd LOVE to have one.

NSXER · Sep 7, 2017

I absolutely love my R5....might be my favorite car to drive on a nice twisty road.
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boxerman · Dec 29, 2011

Had one for about 6 months. Probaly best suspension and steering of any road car I have driven, it had compliance and directness of a race car. The motor was either on or off, when the boost came in it was like a superbike, otherwise it was like a slug. Which meant there was little modulation and on the twisties you were going like a 16 year old all the time. I could see the accident comming, that, the tinney doors crappy interior and general feeling of cheapness coupled with not inconsiderate maintainance isuues meant we parted.

Would love a rs 200 though hard to find a good one..

JeremyJon · Dec 29, 2011

NSXER said: ↑

I absolutely love my R5....might be my favorite car to drive on a nice twisty road.
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fantastic ...looks like you also have a 944 (maybe 951) i had one, and remains a favorite also

the renault original design idea was to have a V6, but i don't know if the car would feel as good handling with the additional weight? mind you, a V6 turbo R5 would be quite a car, perhaps more 'drivable' even (not so on-off as mentioned)

JeremyJon · Sep 7, 2017

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JeremyJon · Sep 7, 2017

i'd like this one for me though
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JeremyJon · Sep 7, 2017

forgot to post this link before...good article

http://www.modified.com/features/0204_sccp_renault_r5_turbo_2/viewall.html

The Renault R5 Turbo 2 Is Still Hot
From the April, 2002 issue of Modified Mag
By Dan Carney
Photography by Les Bidrawn

Possibly the least sporty, most poorly constructed small car ever sold in America was the Renault R5. Known in this country as the LeCar, the Renault looked and drove like a Yugo, only smaller, with less power and reliability.

Renault was racing, however. During the late '70s and early '80s, the company was pioneering development of turbocharged engines in its Formula One racing cars. Those 1.5-liter turbo engines eventually reached an estimated 1,200 hp in qualifying trim. Renault wanted to put its turbo expertise to work in rally competition, and the tiny R5 was the designated platform.

But putting a bunch of turbo horses to the ground through the front wheels didn't seem like a good recipe for a fast rally car, so Renault engineers removed the back seat and installed the engine amidships, driving the rear wheels through a five-speed transaxle. To make this version eligible for racing, Renault then hadto sell the R5 Turbo in its showrooms. Unfortunately, the manufacturer didn't officially import the little hot rod to America.

Sun International Racing, of Manhattan Beach, Calif., however, stepped in to fill the void. The company made the necessary modifications to import the cars and sold about 200 of the surprisingly quick little cars through Centennial Motors, a dealer in Boulder, Colo. A few dozen others came in through other channels. Renault wasn't amused, and put the "gray-market" R5 Turbos on its most unwanted list. The company even instructed its dealers to stop providing parts or service for the outlaws.

The R5's 1,397cc pushrod engine featured an aluminum head with beautifully formed hemi combustion chambers. In the stock factory turbo configuration, the engine was good for 160 hp. In the early '80s, this was an astounding number. Optional 185-hp and 200-hp upgrade kits were available from the factory, and the aftermarket has since jumped in with 300-hp versions.

In a new 185-hp car, Car and Driver ran a 6.5-second 0-60 and a 14.6-second quarter mile before reaching a top speed of 124 mph. But drag racing and top speed wasn't the Turbo's fort, given its tall gearing and tool-shed aerodynamics.

For high-speed assaults on twisty mountain roads, however, the car may be without equal. The 40/60 weight distribution, race-spec unequal-length control arm suspension at all four corners, unboosted rack-and-pinion steering and unboosted four-wheel disc brakes provide awesome feedback. Drivers accustomed to front-wheel drive would be amazed at the direct feeling of the steering and the available power oversteer.

The engine delivers little power at the low end, but the output grows shockingly as the turbo boost needle swings clockwise. Kept on the boil, the R5 Turbo is like riding a lit bottle rocket. For some reason, there's virtually no audible turbo whine, so the boost gauge and the neck-snapping surge of acceleration are the only clues the car is turbocharged. Well, that and the 6-inch tall "TURBO" lettering across the back window.

The turbo's plumbing is short and direct, which contributes to minimal lag and reflects Renault's experience in Formula One. Heat, often a gremlin in turbocharged cars, is well managed with insulation and heat shielding in the R5's remarkably sanitary engine bay.

The Turbo 2 shown here is a later, less-expensive machine than the original rally replica sold in 1980-'81. That car featured an aluminum hood and roof, while the Turbo 2, sold between 1982 and '86, made do with the steel components from the standard R5. The Turbo 2 also used the standard R5 dashboard, while the original Turbo had a Euro-disco styled dash, which added to the cost, but didn't make the car go any faster.

The Turbo 2's sparse, angular dash is a study in period architecture, with its sharp-edged "futuristic" gauge binnacle. The speedometer, tach and water temperature gauges are standard R5 fare, though the boost gauge mounts in the center stack.

Our photo car, which is owned by Sun International, wears a fair amount of aftermarket goodies, including a roll cage, Recaro seats, racing belts, a Momo steering wheel, and a very cool Stack gauge cluster.

The Turbo 2's wheels are unfashionably small in diameter compared with modern sport coupes, and their turbine styling predates today's preferred spoked wheels. What's really interesting about them, however, is their size. The fronts measure 14 3/8 inches in diameter. The rears are 15 3/8 inches. The reason for this is their original Michelin TRX radials.

In the late '70s, to keep their newly designed, new construction radial from being mounted on standard wheels, Michelin used metric-sized wheels. The fronts are 365mm and the rears are 390mm. The design, however, offered no benefits over conventionally sized tires on standard wheels, and was discarded.

In width and aspect ratio, the Turbo's tires were well ahead of their time. The lightly loaded fronts are 55 series, and are 190mm wide, while the rears have the same profile but are 220mm wide. Fortunately, TRX tires are still available for R5 Turbo owners. Unfortunately, they leave the cars saddled with tires that were designed in '80s.

New, the Turbo 2 listed for $22,500, in its standard 160-hp configuration. This was roughly the same price as the Porsche 944 of the same era. Today, old Turbo 2s are worth about $15,000 to $20,000 (unlike old 944s), according to Sun International Racing president Tom Cahalane. The earlier, rarer Turbo 1 models are a bit pricier. Sun still sells parts for the cars through its web site at www.thesunsite.com.

Jerry Fink, proprietor of Pennsylvania turbo tuner Laminar Concepts, owns a pair of Turbo 2s and has worked on many of them for customers. He estimates about 200 of the original 250 Turbo 2s imported to the United States are still on the road, while barely more than a dozen of the original 25 or so Turbo 1s are still in circulation.

RENAULT R5 TURBO 2

CHASSIS

Chassis Code
R5

ENGINE
Type
Inline four, turbocharged
and intercooled, cast iron
block and aluminum head,
Bosch K-Jetronic mechanical
fuel injection

Valvetrain
OHV, 2 valves per cylinder,
side camshaft

Displacement
1,397cc

Bore & Stroke
76.0mm x 77.0mm

Compression Ratio
7.0:1

Horsepower
185 hp @ 6000 rpm

Torque
159 lb-ft @ 3250 rpm

Redline
6500 rpm

DRIVETRAIN

Layout
Longitudinal mid engine,
rear-wheel drive

Transmission
Five-speed manual

Gear Ratios
3.36:1
2.06:1
1.38:1
1.06:1
0.87:1
Final drive
3.89:1

Differential
Open

EXTERIOR DIMENSIONS

Curb Weight
2,230 lbs

Weight Distribution F/R
40/60

Overall Length
144.4 in.

Wheelbase
95.7 in.

Overall Width
69.0 in.

Track F/R
53.0 in./58.0 in.

Height
52.0 in.

SUSPENSION

Front
Upper and lower A-arms,
torsion bars, tube shocks,
anti-roll bar

Rear
Upper and lower A-arms,
coil springs, tube shocks,
anti-roll bar

BRAKES

Front
10.3-inch vented discs

Rear
10.3-inch vented discs

WHEELS AND TIRES

Wheels
135mm x 365mm (front)
195mm x 390mm (rear)

Tires
Michelin TRX;
190/55VR-340 (front)
220/55VR-365 (rear)

PERFORMANCE

Acceleration (Source: Car and Driver)
0-60 mph
6.5 sec

Quarter Mile time
14.6 sec.

Read more: http://www.modified.com/features/0204_sccp_renault_r5_turbo_2/viewall.html#ixzz1i5n9eeY2
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prototypefan · Dec 31, 2011

garnet said: ↑

the RS200 is an amazing car, congrats on the buy ....and you were able to bring it into Canada? kool!

the R5 turbo is certainly ugly enough to be cool somehow LOL ....i don't know if could be road legal here, but given it's age maybe that's a non-issue now?
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No issues at the border......exempt from RIV, over 15 years old.

prototypefan · Dec 31, 2011

XR4Tim said: ↑

Would have been an awesome pair together.
I would love to see your RS200. What part of Alberta are you in?
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The car is in Calgary, good old cow town. I'd love to see a sandwich with a red Lancia 037 Stradale and a red R5 and the RS200 in the middle.

JeremyJon · Dec 31, 2011

prototypefan said: ↑

The car is in Calgary, good old cow town. I'd love to see a sandwich with a red Lancia 037 Stradale and a red R5 and the RS200 in the middle.
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hometown ...i missed the euro car show at stanley park this year....do you take it there or another one of the spring car shows?

slm · Dec 31, 2011

NSXER said: ↑

I absolutely love my R5....might be my favorite car to drive on a nice twisty road.
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Very nice example, Brian. Such a cool car. I have to get me one of these!!

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