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Discussion in 'F1' started by TheMayor, Jan 3, 2012.

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  1. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    +1 tweak the tracks for better passing.
     
  2. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Because if it's use were "free" it would lose it's entire point!.... They did it because we (the fans) spoke and asked for "more overtaking". This is an attempt to give us that. If the leader could open his up the challenger is right back at square one again with no advantage.

    Beg to differ. They've already run three 1.5 hour sessions before qualy even starts. The additional 25 minutes in Q2 & Q3 isn't going to make a difference to the tailenders.

    Rose tinted's here maybe? ;) I dunno how far back you go, but I can guarantee that "we've" always whined about the lack of overtaking! - It's always been difficult to overtake and "back in the day" we were fortunate to have a handful of cars complete the distance, let alone overtake each other!.... Even before the advent of wings there were complaints from the peanut gallery about F1 being nothing more than a procession. I've quoted the late great Jochen Rindt on the subject before for example.

    Cheers,
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  3. rmani

    rmani F1 Veteran Owner Silver Subscribed

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    bring back 3 pedals. eliminate launch control. allow refueling. go back to qualifying sessions where one car runs at a time but make the top finishers set their qualifying lap first before the track is warm and rubbered in. This will negative some of their raw speed advantage to the cars that finished lower in the previous race.

    In the end all we need are more tracks like canda that are conducive to passing.
     
  4. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Nope! [IMESHO ;)] F1 is technology driven and I just don't see how 3 pedals will improve the show - OK, there'll be a few missed shifts every race which *may* allow a pass, but not often enough to make it worthwhile.

    No LC on the cars today. As for refuelling, as I said above I can go either way - I understand they save an entire 747 load on the fly-aways, which is something. How will bringing it back improve the racing though?

    No, no, no! :) Do you remember the single car qualifying era? It *sucked* the big one IMO. I really believe the current Q1/Q2/Q3 setup is working very well and apparently they won't be saving tires next season either - If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

    As for "reverse order", that would be incredibly unfair. F1 is *hard*, getting to the front is even harder - Long may it stay that way!

    Cheers,
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  5. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    :eek: That car (the MP4-4) *dominated* in a fashion that many claimed (again!) would turn folk off F1 forever - It won all but one race in '88!..... Bad example IMO! :)

    Cheers,
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  6. DF1

    DF1 Three Time F1 World Champ

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    +1 as Ive posted. Clutches and shifting require DRIVING and focus. Get rid of some of the tech that is USELESS and make them DRIVE and not MANAGE! Clutches wear and fail. Missed shifts etc add to the show. More spinning wheels etc.
    Only 1 qualy session with all cars on the track for 20 minutes - 1 tire change no fueling. Almost a race. There is lots we can do and change. Plus 1 to steel brakes. Thats what most cars have anyway. Enough of the driver who is PR/Manager and image. Drive to win. Not manage to win.
     
  7. 375+

    375+ F1 World Champ Silver Subscribed

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    Eliminate restrictions on DRS. Let anyone use it at anytime.

    Bring back multi-cylinder engines--V10's, V12's. The cars all sound the same now--boring--like a spec series.

    I attended F1 races at Phoenix in 1990-91. There were V12's by Ferrari, Lamborghini(fantastic) and Honda; V10's from Honda, Porsche(Footwork) and Judd; Ford V8. The sound caroming off the buildings was mind blowing.
     
  8. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    But again, if you do that it loses it's effectiveness - Namely making for more overtaking which is something "we" (apparently) want to see in F1......

    I remember those days well. There were indeed some fabulous sounding motors running round. But, OTOH, allowing that diversity is going to increase the gaps between 'em not to mention push costs thru the roof - A "standardized" lump at least keeps the playing field somewhat level - Haves will still be haves etc, but at least the minnows can buy competitive engines.

    Cheers,
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  9. Aircon

    Aircon Ten Time F1 World Champ BANNED

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    Ian, you have the patience of a saint.
     
  10. tundraphile

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    1) Use a spec rear wing. It will have adequate signage for sponsors but a small amount of downforce. The rest of the car is whatever they want it to be while using this wing. To keep the aero balance the front cannot then have huge downforce either so the net effect is limiting downforce while still allowing creativity. Red Bull will supply and Newey will design the rear wing :)

    2) Ban pneumatic valve springs. They have no place on production cars and will never be used. Manufacturers, who claim they use F1 for research, should welcome the change.

    3) Allow a variety of engine cylinders and vary minimum car weight accordingly. Give them enough fuel to finish with a thirsty, heavy, powerful 2.4L V12 if that is what the team designs. Allow refueling.

    4) Allow DRS for anything under a 3-second gap to help drivers catch Vettel after the first lap.
     
  11. brian.s

    brian.s F1 Rookie Professional Ferrari Technician

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    Not sure point #2 is correct
     
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    brian.s F1 Rookie Professional Ferrari Technician

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    +1

    The cream always rises to the top. Even a great driver will shine in a turd (Senna/Toleman).

    2 pedals/3 pedals, modern electronics will take care of either, big deal, might be 0.005 seconds slower per shift.

    Refueling opens more strategy especially if combined with right tyre choices.

    Really, this season was probably one of the best in a long while.
     
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    I don't believe the TG183B was a turd. I 've heard of Senna though... ;)
     
  14. 2003Enzo

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    1.) Get rid of Bernie.

    I can't think of anything else...
     
  15. It's Ross

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    Open qualifying sessions
    Manual gearboxes and less driver aids
    Eliminate silly tire compound and manditory change rules. Tires to be round and black.
    Limit aero to rely on mechanical grip^
    Allow refueling
    Engine formula to allow forced induction @ less displacement. no stipulated cylinder count or configuration and as many engines as a team can afford, quali grenades and all. Displacement limits and spec. fuel, period.
    No points awarded lower than 6th(might as well be playing tee-ball)

    Has anybody mentioned dumping Bernie?
     
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    barbazza Formula 3 Rossa Subscribed

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    1) Bring back testing so the season isn't decided when the lights go out at the first race.
    2) Get rid of limitations on tires/engines/gearboxes so drivers stop going around in conservation mode.
    3) Cameras are not allowed to cut away from the racing to show the drivers' girlfriends unless the girlfriends are topless... ;)
     
  17. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ Lifetime Rossa Owner

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    Don't cover the cockpits with a canopy.
    Don't cover the wheels.
    Don't allow Diesel fuel.
    Don't allow electric engines only.
    Don't add any more races in Asia.

    Add a South African GP.
    Add more GPs in the American hemisphere (US, Mexico, Argentina).
     
  18. tundraphile

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    I wasn't aware that any production road car has ever used or will ever used pneumatic valve springs.
     
  19. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    +1

    Talk about flexibility :)
     
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    Get rid of qualifying and do a reverse order for the start based on the wins from the race before. That will guarantee that we get to see Vettel start from the back and prove to us all that he's worthy of that drivers championship.
     
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    +1, I like this. If they did this once the championship was decided, it would be great!
     
  22. TheMayor

    TheMayor Ten Time F1 World Champ Rossa Subscribed

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    The problem is you invite sandbagging. It's difficult to control.
     
  23. MisterMaranello

    MisterMaranello F1 Rookie

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    Get rid of Hermann Tilke and deport him to Siberia...
     
  24. tifosi12

    tifosi12 Four Time F1 World Champ Lifetime Rossa Owner

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    Tilke builds tracks within the design parameters given to him by the FIA: They want mid range turns, which are safe and boring.

    If you send Tilke into the Gulag, some other droid architect will design the same cookie cutter turns.

    At least Tilke shows some architectural flair with the pit area/main grand stands.
     
  25. MisterMaranello

    MisterMaranello F1 Rookie

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    I am not saying send him to the gulag but his architectural style shows in is F1 layouts. He is commissioned by the FIA not for his track designing "abilities", but because he can supply the best overall package. Remember todays F1 is all about money... He is a great building and site architect, but his circuit layouts are stupid.
     

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