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Discussion in 'F1' started by TheMayor, Jan 3, 2012.

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  1. MisterMaranello

    MisterMaranello F1 Rookie

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    Oh and stop letting eco-mentalists without reason ruin the sport. Bring back the glory days of engine design...
     
  2. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    While I agree they should be allowed limited testing (the day(s) following a few of the GP's would be my choice), the above is hardly fair; Two of the last three WDC's have been decided at the last race after all......

    Incidentally, I wonder where all the conspiracy theorists went this past year? ;)

    With respect, you are joking, right? I could probably fill a small book with all the reasons that's a terrible idea, but don't want to take the bait on a joke.....

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  3. Mitch Alsup

    Mitch Alsup F1 Veteran

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    1. Car shapes must conform to the "Convex hull". This gets rid of diffusers, and prevents using lower bodywork from generating downforce.

    2. Ban all visible aerodynamic devices. This puts an 800 HP engine in a car with 1.5Gs maximal acceleration in any direction. You want the drivers to drive, this is how to get there. With no aero, braking distances are 3 times longer, corner speeds are down 50%, acceleration distances are up 100%.

    3. Open engine regs... normal aspiration 3.0 L, no pneumatic valve springs, engines must last 4 races, transmissions must last 4 races. No maintanence of the engine is allowed (i.e. you can't take off the valve covers and change the vavle springs.)

    4. cars run on commercial pump fuel--picked up from a random station in the town the race takes place the week before the race teams arrive. All cars run from the same tank/batch of fuel.

    5. Cars must use comercial oil products--purchased off the shelf in the town of the race. Engines must run entire weekend on the same oil in the sump.

    6. Brake technology remains unregulated, however, a set of brake pads and rotors is required to last the entire race weekend. With the lowered aerodynamics, this should be achievable without alteration.

    7. Tires. Get rid of mandating use of different compounds, and have at least one tire available that can go the whole distance. Teams/drivers can choose tires (and strategy) from the entire ensemble of available tires (.i.e. not chosen by tire manufacture.)

    8. Maximum pit crews of 9 people.
     
  4. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    They'll just figure out another way of doing it....... Probably not to the level they're at now, but anytime a car moves thru the air it can be controlled.

    With lowered aero/drag acceleration distances would be hugely reduced, not increased. Remember they'll go a *lot* faster if not generating downforce.

    I've gotta be honest, I don't get this "hatred" for pneumatic valves - It's one of the reasons they sound so good. As for the engines being "free" costs would go thru the roof. I honestly have no problem with tightly regulated motors - Keeps it close.

    How will that "improve" F1?

    In the ultimate formula? Again, I don't see how that will improve anything.

    +1 :)

    Again, how will that improve anything? [Please note I'm not trying to argue, it's an interesting debate ;)]

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  5. barbazza

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    Ok maybe it's a little bit of a stretch :)D) saying it's decided at the start of the first race but we're mostly in agreement. More testing makes for better competition.

    I just can't understand why, as you've suggested many times, the teams don't test on the day after a race at a permanent circuit. They could even have 2 days of testing when there isn't another race the next weekend.
     
  6. Isobel

    Isobel F1 World Champ

    Jun 30, 2007
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    I love the thought of a reverse grid but the question has always been how to keep qualifying honest if it was employed.

    I believe it might actually work is if the dangling carrot was worthy.

    Something along the lines of....

    14 points for qualifying 1st, 12 points for second, etc. etc. for, say, the first six positions.

    Top qualifiers would only receive additional points if they accepted starting at the rear.

    To spice things up, if the top qualifier refused, 14 points would then be offered to the next driver on down until the offer was taken. 12 points would be on deck for the next driver to accept etc.. . The second driver to accept the offer would be given the second to last grid position and so on.

    I think it would be a tough call for some teams to pass up unless the race was at a street circuit or held on a tight track such as Hungary....;). Who knows, maybe some tailenders might finally receive a few points ....;)
     
  7. Jack-the-lad

    Jack-the-lad Seven Time F1 World Champ
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    More power
    More tire
    Less aero
     
  8. Remy Zero

    Remy Zero Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Easy. Let the drivers draw pole numbers from a hat. Saves cost, saves time. Saturdays can be specifically done for meet the fans session.
     
  9. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Exactly..... I think I may write a little mail to Mr Todt and ask him!...... AFAIK, it's never even been proposed - Maybe makes too much sense? ;)

    Now we're getting silly! [Is, you were joking too, right? - I know you of all people know better! ;)]

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  10. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    Much as it may seem in the realms of the absurd Ian, it does seem to work.

    However the main difference is 3 races in a meeting.

    Not sure if they still add ballast to the winner though.

    The Q rules for BTCC.

     
  11. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    While I love the BTCC (cue the Top Gear segment?) it's not F1 - Tin top saloons happily bang in to each other & knock each other out of the way - Fun stuff but absolutely not what F1 is all about IMESHO. Three races? No thanks!

    This;

    Not only to win every race, but to put the sucker on pole every time too. I know a lot of folk disagree, but I still enjoy a *constructor* utterly dominating the season - You've done a better job with your "package" :)eek: ;)) and should reap the rewards - Not have ballast added or power reduced....

    I'm not gonna claim we're in any "golden age", but we do have it pretty good right now IMO.

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  12. kraftwerk

    kraftwerk Two Time F1 World Champ

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    I agree Ian, it's a interesting debate, but I'd say F1 is in relatively good shape.
     
  13. tundraphile

    tundraphile F1 Veteran

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    Reversing the grid based off the finishing position of the previous race seems like a very good way to provide lots of passing and exciting racing.

    However, imagine you are running say, 13th with no real chance of getting in the points this particular race. Why not just park the car and start at or near the front for the next race? It seems the midpack teams would probably do exactly that. Many "electrical problems", or "cooling issues" could crop up for a guy out of the points late in the race.

    Therefore, revise the plan and start the ten points finishers at the back of the pack, positions 15-24 in reverse order. The non-points finishers, spots 1-14, would be decided by luck of the draw. A mid-pack driver then would have no reason to park the car in hopes of a great start for the next race. There would be a good chance he would still be mid-pack for the next race.

    Back marker teams would get a few precious moments of worldwide airtime before they are passed that might make it easier to get sponsors. You would also likely never see a season where one driver dominates so completely. My guess is 8 wins in a season max.
     
  14. poyta

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    You're right about the potential problems but your suggestion seems like a good solution.
     
  15. TifosiUSA

    TifosiUSA F1 Veteran

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    Agreed.

    -Bring back in season testing
    -Use the following Monday after a race as an optional test session where young/reserve drivers must be used
    -Naturally aspirated motors, any config, 2.0L mandatory
    -Wider tires, less focus on aero
     
  16. Fast_ian

    Fast_ian Two Time F1 World Champ

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    :eek:

    :eek:

    No, no, no!.... :)

    Seriously, I can't believe anyone here is serious about such ideas! It's abhorrent! It's just plain wrong!

    You practice, you qualify. If you're the quickest, you start on pole. If you suck, you start at the back. You race, and sometimes you score points.

    Simple. ;)

    Cheers,
    Ian
     
  17. texasmr2

    texasmr2 Two Time F1 World Champ
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    1. With the new V6 turbo's bring back 'rocket fuel' .
    2. Screw the tires regs and let the drivers decide once again.
    3. Reduce aero 'washout' and bring back passing.
     

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