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Daytona overheating conundrum-help!

Discussion in 'Technical Q&A' started by ikieo, Jan 14, 2012.

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  1. bill365

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    If you remove your thermostat (for testing purposes) and run the engine, I would think, you should be able to start the engine and easily see a good flow throughout the system.

    If you do not get a good flow....

    I do not know specifically on your Daytona, but the following can be an issue on some of the other V-12 water pumps... When you rebuilt your water pump, did you check the assembled clearance between the volute and impeller? Too much clearance and you won't get the right flow.

    Just a thought.

    Good luck and happy hunting,
    Bill
     
  2. gtospoons

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    Yes, will do. I will start a new thread in the Vintage forum in the next few days and all will be revealed.
    Chris
     
  3. of2worlds

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    Thanks Chris, will look forward to that Daytona adventure in the Vintage section!
    CH
     
  4. vincenzo

    vincenzo F1 Rookie

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    Chris,
    While it sat - - was there anti-freeze in the system that was maintained (changed out every 3 to 5 years) during storage? Was it old and outdated antifreeze and/ or just plain water? Empty of fluids?

    Would very much appreciate your input..

    Rgds,
    Vincenzo
     
  5. gtospoons

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    Hi Vincenzo
    We think that the car sat (after a bad crash) for nearly 8 years without being touched and probably with water in it. The car was then dismantled, but not the engine, which sat empty of fluids for a further 30 years. I can't be sure about antifreeze but it would certainly have been old, if it had any at all. As a retired chemist, looking at the powder, I would guess that it is a mixture of aluminium, magnesium and calcium silicates but what surprises me more than anything is just how much there is. So I am thinking of kettle descaler to clean it all up. I'll try and get the new thread running later....
    Chris
     
  6. ikieo

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    Thanks everyone for really fantastic ideas and information, sorry I have been away from the computer for a week plus. I will not be able to work on my Daytona most likely for several weeks, but I will revert when I have done more diagnostics.
    However, since this problems has been slowly progressing over the past few years I am near certain I will have nicely clogged water ports in the heads.

    I am thinking I can use a doppler probe to ascertain water flow and relative velocity in the hoses

    So the next obvious question is, who should rebuild it without costing an arm and a leg, just an arm would be tolerable possibly. I can rebuild a basic engine but 365 motor experience would be very helpful. Unfortunately my "guru" passed away this past spring so I am a bit adrift when it comes to old Ferrari help!

    Ken
     
  7. ikieo

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    Here is an update to my overheating problem. I finally had some time to trouble shoot the car. Here is what I did, disassembled the water pump, could not see any problems, then I rigged a garden hose up so that it fit into the water passage at the top of the heads where the thermostat housing would go, then I reverse flushed the engine to see what kind of water velocity came out of the lower block. It flowed like gangbusters............WHEW! Cuz I was near convinced that the water passages were blocked due to the age of the engine (untouched since from the factory 1970).
    Next, I reassembled the water pump, adapted a hose from the intake of the pump and stuck one end in a tub of water. Cranked the engine and looked at the flow coming out of the top of the heads, where the thermostat attaches. More great news, flows like crazy.
    So far so good. I don't think it is the block or the water pump. I used an IR thermometer all over the engine and could not find any hot spots.
    Dropped the radiator back in.
    New thermostat despite the fact that my old one opened fine in boiling water at 177 degrees F.
    Filled it up with water, left the radiator cap off and cranked the engine up. When it got to operating temperature water was bubbling back out of the radiator. Yet another good sign.
    Put the radiator cap on and let it run. the temperature got to 190 plus and the fans kicked in.........YES!! (they were not turning on before with a 290 degree water temp measured at the heads).
    So the problem all along was a slowly failing thermostat.. Son of a ........
    So my completely original 1970 plexi Daytona (blue btw) with 40K miles is still ready to romp and rock.
    Thanks everyone!
    Ken
     
  8. FerrariDublin

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    Congrats Ken, I love a happy ending! Well done!
     
  9. BLAMPEE

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    I think we ALL love a Happy Ending, no...? :rolleyes: :p
     
  10. FerrariDublin

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    Agreed!
     
  11. 2NA

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    Good job!

    Now let's see a few photos. :D
     
  12. Crowndog

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    It is fortunate but common.
     

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