sorry for ignorance but what benefits do you get if you opt to get the HELE system?
Which your government might give back to you. It is a completely useless option on the face of it but in Europe some governments determine how much tax you have to pay on the basis of the amount of CO2 emitted during the standard European test cycle. In Holland, the reduction in CO2 on this cycle saves a 458 buyer €15.000. The system costs just over 1.000 euro. €14k saving. Not to be sniffed at, I would say. My 458 will have it although I hate the entire concept. Thankfully you can just switch it off. Onno
The HELE system stands for High Emotion Low Emissions. The HELE system completely stops your engine when you are at a stop light. Then it turns it back on when you take your foot off the brake pedal. That is the high emotion you get wondering if the engine will start This system controls fan speed and gear shifts when in auto to save energy, gas, low emissions. It also tries to out think your driving habits. It would not matter to me how much money the government was going to give back to me--------------I would not get this option on my "sports" car. However, maybe on the FF or 612 it may be suited for. Only if you are using your vehicle to cruise around in or hi-way miles. I still would not option for it. Not sure how much weight it adds , if any. Ferrari has always been race/sports/GT orientated cars. Why are they trying to go green? I buy my Ferrari's to be Ferrari's. greyhair
Like I said, you switch it off permanently and save $20k. It's money for jam. But whatever, if you want to throw $20k away that's fine with me. Onno
It may possibly be true in Holland and no disrespect given, however I have not read or heard of the USA giving $20,000 dollars in any form, for me to buy a Ferrari. Show me the $20 dollar check-----------------then I will become a believer and I will move to Holland.-------- And "then" you are correct,-------just turn the switch to the off position and cash the $20 thousand dollars on jam
That is not what you said, you said you wouldn't get the system no matter how much the government will give you back. Like I said, this system is designed for legislation in Europe. The system has no place on a sportscar. But the fact that it was designed by Ferrari just shows how ridiculous taxes have become over here. The Dutch pay 61% tax on a standard 458. If they can reduce that to 52% by fitting an option they will never have to use, then good for them. Thankfully, legislation is not so bad that the system is not allowed to be turned off. But that will only be a matter of time. I don't have the price comparison for the 458 handy because the system was not yet available in March 2011. But here are the California prices in Holland between the HELE version and the regular car. €13,600, or about $17,700 is the difference. Onno Image Unavailable, Please Login
You right Onno, the HELE system has no place on a sports car. I have to say, I take that back about moving to Holland. If Ferrari had to design such a ridiculous bandaid to get the Hollanders to get a credit on thier tax when purchasing a Ferrari-------------I have no business there, and by the way, do the women shave there legs there? I guess there is no stopping the green movement, it is comming soon. greyhair
I don't know why all the complaints about a feature which makes the car cheaper and need not be used. Stop start will be soon on most new cars coming - get used to it. It's not Ferrari's fault. And IIRC, emission controls were first invented by the US in the 70's and they hardly improved the driving experience. I'm in favour of devices that will let us enjoy our cars a little longer.
Are you saying this mechanism which I have never heard off can be turned off (easily) having absolutely no effect thereafter and ALL governments return this kind of money? Best
Info from Ferrari SpA: High Emotion Low Emission (cod. Modis HELE). The Ferrari 458 Italia may be specified with the Hi Emotion Low Emission pack. The HELE (High Emotion Low Emissions) system reduces CO2 emissions by 21%. This achievement is over an urban-type route that reflects the real way in which our clients would use the car. In the case of the ECE+EUDC combined cycle used for homologation, emissions fall to 275 g/km (-10%) with respect to the basic configuration of 307 g/km and reaches the lowest benchmark value for a naturally-aspirated engine. This outcome is the result of the balance struck between reducing energy demands (vehicle efficiency) and increasing energy generated (engine efficiency), thanks to the use of the Stop&Start system, and the optimisation of certain auxiliary components, such as the motor fans, fuel pump, A/C compressor and DCT gearbox. Below is a short outline of the features of the HELE system with highest impact for the customer. The Ferrari 458 Italia Stop&Start System automatically cuts out the car’s engine when it comes to a standstill in traffic and then restarts it when the driver wishes to get going again. The system improves vehicle efficiency in urban driving situations, resulting in lower fuel consumption, and lower polluting and CO2 emissions levels. There is a fuel saving of around 6% in the ECE+EUDC combined cycle used for homologation. However, this figure may rise to 15% in urban driving situations. The most significant advantage of the Ferrari 458 Italia’s Stop&Start system is that it does not require drivers to change their driving habits in any way whatsoever and still allows them to enjoy all of the car’s signature driveability and versatility. The engine, for instance, restarts very rapidly indeed (230 ms compared to 700 ms for a normal restart). This means that the driver doesn’t feel any delay in getting underway again and thus can fully enjoy the car’s high performance characteristics. A button in the ceiling light panel also allows drivers to activate or deactivate the Stop&Start system. Every time the button is pressed, there is also an alert on the TFT display on the instrumentpanel as to whether the system has been activated or deactivated. The Ferrari 458 Italia’s occupant comfort is guaranteed even when the engine is off. The system acts intelligently, cutting out and restarting the engine as required, to maintain the desire level of climate control in the cabin. The Infotainment, communications and other onboard systems can still be used when the car engine is off as well as during ignition and cut-out phases. The system logic can also recognise certain conditions that typically arise whilst the car is being driven and thus manage the cut-off and restarting of the engine to ensure comfort, safety and vehicle control. For instance, in stop-and-go driving experienced in traffic jams, the system stops the engine continually cutting out. In fact, the engine will only cut out automatically after restarting in such situations if a certain minimum speed is exceeded (20 km/h) for a specific minimum time (5 seconds). If the car halts on a particularly steep slope too, the engine won’t shut down, thus guaranteeing total control at all time. If, on the other hand, the car does come to a standstill on gentler slopes (<15%), the engine will cut out when the Stop&Start system is active and working conditions are normal. When restart occurs, the Hill Holder function will also keep the car from rolling back for around 2 seconds after the brake pedal has been released, thus making the hill start that much easier. The Ferrari 458 Italia’s Stop&Start system was also designed to meet extra safety, comfort and reliability requirements. The engine won’t cut out automatically in certain specific situations even if the Stop&Start system is active. Examples of such situations include: When the engine is still warming up The battery doesn’t have enough of a charge The bonnet is open The EPB is engaged Outside temperatures are very low/high The hard top is retracting/0pening. When the LED on the ceiling lightmounted button is on, the Stop&Start system is active. The system retains the status selected by the client even after the engine has been turned off and restarted several times using the ignition key, and until the button is pressed again. In cars readied for the USA and Canada markets, the system reactivates automatically each time the car is started using the ignition key. Every time the car is started, the driver is alerted to the system status is shown on the TFT display on the instrument panel. When activated under normal driving situations, the Stop&Start system will, 7 conditions permitting, automatically cut out the engine when the car comes to a standstill and if the driver releases the accelerator pedal whilst maintaining sufficient pressure on the brake pedal. The engine restarts when the brake pedal is released. It will also restart if the F1 gearshifting paddles are used or when the reverse button on the F1 panel on the tunnel is pressed.
Will the HELE system allow you to warm up the engine b4 you start driving? And this seems pointless when you live in a rural area as I do.
After reading this: I am going to remind myself what I already stated earlier but with more meaning to it------------------------ this second time around. greyhair
I have this feature on my Cayenne and turned it off. Fortunately it remembers when I turn it off so I don't have to do it everytime I start the car. Don't know about the 458 but in the CT when the engine stopped the AC would not blow as cold. The one time I used it on hiway 80 during rush hour traffic the engine must have stopped/started 50 times, mostly for just a few seconds each. seemed silly to me
By the way, do they teach grammar in your schools? Not all governments but various ones across Europe. I don't understand it either, but if we all have to complain about things governments do that we don't understand then pass me the razor please. I didn't make the legislation, I'm just telling you why this system exists. Don't shoot the messenger. Onno
All the way to 6th grade-------- I guess i will take that as a "NO" about them women not shaving there leggs over there Its ok Onno, I remember the 70's. That money your saving on the HELE, you might as well go out and buy some of them razors. greyhair
i have to believe that a motor repeatedly turned on and off will experience a shorter life. Has this been discussed/addressed? Best
I just read that the BMW 3 series has a equivalent system as that of the HELE installed in the cars for 2012. You have to push the off button every time you start up the car if you choose so. Look out boys here comes the green movement. Better hang on to your 2011 cars.
Thanks - but this entire idea epitomizes the world's impotence. A green system that can be turned off. Personally, my view of "purity" is that mutts live longer and healthier lives than pure breds. Best
Turning off the motor at the stop lights as the HELE and other systems are doing is not what I call "green", but rather more of a temporary fix. It is a half hearted try at the emissions and gas savings. I am sure if we are going to buy our Ferrari's in the future, we are going to have some sort of green in them soon. I know that the rebates and the money saved (for razors) is the carrot before the horse. Take a look at Tesla's "zero" tail pipe emissions on the model S. Now that is green or rather heading in the right direction. By the way the "S" model sedan looks good. (I do not work for Tesla). The HELE system has no business on a 458 or any sports car. I do understand that The HELE system is the crawl before the run. The manufactures are getting the general public warmed up to the green idea with the early stages that they are exposing us to. It is comming and soon. When my lease is up on the 760LI I may try the model S from Tesla Image Unavailable, Please Login
