That nose....

I still don't see it legal being allowed to blow downward in any fashion. Rules dictate a 10 degree upward turn is required. Ferrari's coke bottle area of their sidepods still don't make a lot of sense to me. They look like a F2004 meets 2012 regulations. I have to wonder if Ferrari's intention was to have the exhaust exit as far back as possible with these sidepods so to make best use of the exhaust air velocity at the beam wing or blowing between the beam wing and diffuser. That could perhaps help

 

Interesting how he almost apologizes for the ugly nose. Basically, don't blame us!

 

Found 'em!.... A capture from the video. Sure looks like they're aimed pretty much straight into the rear "brake ducts" - Which also appear to be something more than simple ducts as postulated.

Cheers,
Ian
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Might not go as well but it looks better to me, a quick PS job ..
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http://www.ferrari.com/English/Formula1/News/Headlines/Pages/120201_f1-OZ-wheels-for-the-new-Ferrari.aspx

 

Excellent video. Everyone, please watch. Half the questions asked here are answered.

 

I still don't have any idea what these brake ducts are supposed to do with the air from the exhaust. Channel it to the diffuser?! That would be pretty wild..

Or they simply want to cool the brakes, but got a sign wrong in their calculations with the hot exhaust gasses. Happens to the best.

 

Same here - We need more pix!...... Common sense says they'd try and *increase* pressure "inside" the duct as that would push the wheels down. [Almost like the old wings mounted directly to the uprights.]

Or, as you say, they're playing games trying to blow the diffuser again.

Hopefully, we'll see some more pix next week.

Experience talking here?

Cheers,
Ian

 

I saw Felipe on Sky Sports basically say something similar - almost apologizing for the nose.

 

Hm, but simply increasing the pressure inside the duct would be a pretty inefficient way to create a force on the wheels, no? It seems more likely to me that the ducts channel the exhaust gasses somewhere...

Don't ask... I've recently written a new engine testbed control, with the dyno's torque and speed being the opposite sign of those of the engine under test... never again will I joke about anyone who gets their signs wrong

It seems to me that everyone at the team has apologized for the nose at least once. Maybe it would be less work in this respect for them this season if they called themselves "Scuderia Ferrari Sorry For That Nose Marlboro"...

 

You're hired.

 

Agreed - I think it more likely they're trying to blow the diffuser.

I may have noted this before - *Many* years ago a buddy of mine was working for the Prince of Darkness (Lucas) in London. They were trying to build a very early ECU and decided to use a diesel as they're simpler - "We'll get back to spark control". So, they bolted the thing to the testbed and arranged the wall of computers alongside. Fired 'er up and at that point realized diesels go backwards - It was quite happily sucking air from outside and the inlets were spewing exhaust. The brake didn't work backwards. Compounding the problem the ECU detected "negative revs" and hence opened the throttle more to try and increase 'em......

"What should we do?!"
"Run away, run away!.......

The entire room (and the 'puters) was totally destroyed when it eventually let go!

Cheers,
Ian

 

It's not the exhaust exit, it's the extracted hot air from the side pods. The new rules are for the exhaust exits position and angle, not for the side pod exits.

I believe that picture shows the sidepod air exit pointing downwards.



If you look at the photograph below (borrowed from Ferraripilot's post #76 on page 4), you can clearly see the exhausts pointing upwards (just inside the rear wing uprights). I believe there are two exits per side, one on the outside (the sidepod exit), pointing down to the diffuser ,and one on the inside (the exhaust exit), pointing upwards towards the brake duct .
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You could very well be right.

You mean what I've highlighted below? - Aren't we looking at the same thing? - The pipes emerging from the shroud?

Whatever, that's some seriously messed up looking "brake ducts" in the pic.....

Cheers,
Ian
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That's them. They definitely appear to point upwards (as per the regs.), and the picture you found definitely points downwards, hence My theory.

I have tried to find a picture/video of that area to confirm My theory but I can't find a picture and Ferrari's own video selection keeps causing My computer to crash worse than Nelson Piquet Jr at Singapore for some reason!

Watching the Youtube clip that MisterMaranello posted, they just pull away as they get to the area of real interest for us!
(BTW, I love the way they have never found a way to describe the rear end of the bodywork other than "the Coke panels". Coca Cola must be proud! )

It certainly looks very complex around the brake duct area but if it works as I think it does then it could be a very clever idea (note that I said: " It could be"! ).

Whatever the design concept is, it's going to need to do a bloody job to get forgiveness for that nose!

 

Ferratypus from that angle..

 

LOL, what a great story - and what else would you expect from Lucas? I will have to tell that to my colleagues on Monday

 

Thinking about the strange exhaust exit, allow me to present the following miserable sketch, courtesy of my notebook's touchpad.

What if the exhaust direction was downward (black arrow), as the side view suggests, but the hole actually pointed upwards (blue line/arrow)? I don't know through which aerodynamic trick the exhaust air flow could be made to follow the hole's direction and not the exhaust's "main" direction, but it would at least explain the strange difference of the two pictures.

Then, a close look at the brake duct (orange circle) lets me believe that there's some sort of wing shaped element in it. Could it be that the exhaust gasses flow along that little wing and create downforce?
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I think the 2010 car looks the best of those three...

 

I know...I know. I'm the only one who actually likes the nose. I can't tell you why I like it, but I do.

 

I'm not a fan of the new nose design. Historically, cars that don't look fast aren't. And that, to me, doesn't look "fast". Hopefully I'll be flat out wrong--fingers crossed.

 

Post by Enrique Rodríguez @Truzonef1

"Aunque cuando se destape el difusor de Ferrari en Jerez seguramente dará mucho que hablar, en todos los sentidos"

Google Translation:
"Although when you uncover the diffuser Ferrari in Jerez certainly will be talking about, in every way"

My Reply:

"And why will everyone be talking about the F2012 Diffuser?"

Enrique Rodríguez:

"Let's wait and see Jerez "

My Reply:

"Has our clever friend Mr. Byrne come up with something special?"

Enrique Rodríguez:

"Rory has designed the diffuser, so hopefully interesting."

 

The FIA 2012 exhaust regs. state that the exhaust itself must point upwards, not just the exit hole (From: http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/2012/0/926.html ):


As part of moves to outlaw blown diffusers, the FIA has imposed new restrictions on the positioning of exhaust exits for 2012. There can only be one exit on each side of the car and it must fall within the yellow dotted line shown here. In practice this is a box 700mm long (between 500mm and 1200mm from the rear axle), 350mm high (between 250mm and 600mm above the reference plane, RP) and 300mm wide (see separate article for overhead view). On top of that, the last 100mm of the pipe (red arrow) must be straight and round in section, and must be angled between 10° and 30° longitudinally.
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My favorite time of the season

 

A few more videos for those who have not yet seen the interviews etc.

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Recalling Alonso is basically apologizing for the nose aswell: "It's the passion that makes Ferraris beautiful."

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