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Discussion in 'Vintage (thru 365 GTC4)' started by Onebugatti, Feb 2, 2012.

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  1. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Mar 2, 2005
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    Yes, that is what I am saying.

    Marcel Massini
     
  2. JazzyO

    JazzyO F1 World Champ

    Jan 14, 2007
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    Onno
    Gorgeous. I think the LWB is underrated compared to the SWB. I love them.


    Onno
     
  3. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Mar 2, 2005
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    Some of my thoughts:

    Today's buyers pay for history and provenance:

    Remember the spectacular ex-Steve McQueen 250 GT Lusso #4891 GT which sold for a world record US$ 2'300'000 on 16th August 2007 (Christie's Auction in Monterey)? At the time a really nice standard Lusso (but without a prominent original owner such as McQueen) was worth maybe US$ 600'000 (on a sunny day). In this case the McQueen factor alone was probably US$ 1'500'000.

    Two weeks ago, on the 21st January 2012, Gooding and Co. in Scottsdale sold a beautiful 250 GT LWB California Spider #1505 GT for US$ 3'905'000 incl. premium. That car had open headlights, was painted white and never had a factory hardtop. It also did not have a prominent original owner.

    Friday, 3rd February 2012, French auctioneers Artcurial sold a sister Ferrari 250 GT LWB California Spider #1283 GT for a world record US$ 5'781'000 incl. premium. That makes a huge difference of US$ 1'876'000. The metallic silver grey California at Artcurial in Paris had formerly been owned by prominent movie director Roger Vadim, it had the desirable covered headlights and was one of just nine LWB California Spiders with a factory hardtop.

    Do these elements (provenance, covered headlights vs. open ones, and a factory hardtop) really make that much of a difference?

    Marcel Massini
     
  4. GTE

    GTE F1 World Champ

    Jun 24, 2004
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    Marnix
    I even prefer the LWB over the SWB. Both stunning looking cars but the LWB oozes class.
     
  5. ludo95

    ludo95 Formula Junior

    Sep 10, 2004
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    15357 is the number on the panel of the stand Charles Pozzi
     
  6. Marcel Massini

    Marcel Massini Two Time F1 World Champ
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    Mar 2, 2005
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    See post #24.

    Marcel Massini
     
  7. trkevin

    trkevin Formula Junior

    Nov 3, 2003
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    K. Blommaert
    #32 trkevin, Feb 5, 2012
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    Here's a photo from the s/n of the 365 GTB/4 at Rétromobile

    Best regards

    Kevin Blommaert
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  8. bertrand59

    bertrand59 Guest

    Jun 13, 2011
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    bertrand
    Congrats

    your eyes are better than mines !


    ludo95
    "15357 is the number on the panel of the stand Charles Pozzi"

    May be mistake on the panel. because I don't see any one yesterday evening. Withdraw ? ?.
     
  9. ludo95

    ludo95 Formula Junior

    Sep 10, 2004
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    for sure that we should not place undue reliance on the panel, especially on the stands
     
  10. poppy84

    poppy84 Formula Junior

    Oct 19, 2005
    647
    Italy & Paris
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    Andrea
    I saw many Ferraris overpriced at Retromobile...just as an example, a 275 GTS priced at 485k€. My father sold his '65 GTS (in a better shape) at 150 k€, but it was in 2002 :(

    All the Dino's were over 150-180k.

    So I think that 1.8 million euro for an hard top and a passenger seat that has been in contact with the backside of Bardot it's almost a bargain :)
     

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