Official Countach Value Thread

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Ok what about someone taking a US QV Injected car and converting it to a Downdraft?

I know it has to have been done and will not be the same as a true down draft but what about making it that way worth more? than just a FI car?
I know the cost would be pretty substantial for all the parts needed but what if?

 

Peter, i disagree with this post, if one car is in perfect condition with 8.000 miles and another one also in perfect condition with 35.000 miles of course it makes differences!! The entire car is used more, the 8.000 milecar will have an still new engine/gearbox, the interior and rest of the car will be all like it left the factory. The 35.000 mile car has always more sign of wear, must be. When a S2 has 130.000 miles on the clock but it looks perfect its still not so tempting i have to say...

Mr Sackey, as being an expert, what do you say about this?

 

At least none of these colors shown in the photo represent Blu Acapulco. If the first colour shown on the left side of the photo really is the first paint (it is possible), then the final paint the car has now is close to the first paint. It is difficult to judge from seeing a photo, but when you say it's close then it's close and you have a good match to the old, possibly original colour. I see you couldn't do more, it simply was a decision between the oldest layer paint you still could find on the car and the factory-original shade of Blu Acapulco that perhaps has never been on this car. So let's follow the voice of the first owner and conclude that your paint decision has been a good one.

 

Why don't you schedule a PPI with a local specialist (say Wil De Groot of Exoticars, for example - no affiliation) and find out for yourself instead of us guessing for you?

A Countach can have all manner of issues, OR, it may in fact be a meticulously-maintained example. Its impossible to even begin to say what this cars needs may be.

 

As stated already by Countach qv, a USA FI QV will always be worth at least USA FI QV money.

It remains the original car with a replacement non-original engine so from that standpoint its not as desirable to many who want something that they can easily pass on into the marketplace.

Personally, I think that we should always keep an eye on this factor. Why? Because we are not immortal as human beings. This "I will never sell it" business is utter nonsense, because you cant take it with you anyway, and your circumstances can change. Short story: I once heard a well-known collector proclaim in a loud voice at a car show that he would never sell his classic cars. A month later he was diagnosed with terminal cancer and a month after that his entire collection was sold. It re-affirmed that these are just collectible toys and even the wealthiest are simply temporary custodians. Think of kids with baseball cards - the ones who kept the cards in good shape and refrained from scribbling all over them were always able to trade them for good value. Same thing really.... you might want to trade or sell your car one day, so having a good example without stories, mods etc can in fact enhance your enjoyment because you always know you can trade or sell it for a good sum without difficulty. Am I making any sense?

 

I agree, it makes a difference. How much? A myriad of factors come into it, dominated essentially by the car's condition & provenance.

 

Having performed an examination of the car's paint layers and not seen any other color than the color you've painted it I think you are fine.

The Lamborghini factory of the era was known to write down livery specs that were outright mistakes (after all Blu Acapulco can easily be stated erroneously as Blu Metallizzato), or in fact they would make last-minute changes and fail to write it down. We have absolute proof of this happening in more than one instance.

 

So it was the best decision for you.

 

I for one, could care less if it left the Factory PINK..I love your car and it looks great..enjoy the heck out of it.

 

Yes, what I ment was about 16K miles, but in fact, now that it gets here, we can see the exact KMS..and it is about 20K miles..

BUT please, let's get one thing straight..MY S2 car is NOT A PERFECT restored example to the level of others out there..not at all..I do not represent it as such either..

I would call it a Driver in as is condition of enjoyment for the years of it's use, value of it's orgianlity..this is to be determined by others..not me.

 

Two (2) Countachs did. Here is one of them, an LP400S S3, pictured by benduj78 when it was new in Paris still on EE plates.

Since we are in the Countach values thread, I would say that a pink Countach (love it or hate it) is worth significantly less than some of the more traditional & appealing colors. In fact, I would be tempted to think of this car as almost unsaleable. Almost...
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has been done. As far as I am concerned, it is a turn off. the car is now bastardized. Has a USA injected model VIN and carbs. This is no good from a value/collectable viewpoint. Value is same or less than an injected IMO. Such a job has to be done at the factory to be recognized from a value viewpoint.

I also came accross a true DD turned into an injected... That however, is a little gem that someone at the time spotted and got for $45K... turned back into the original DD

 

I would not mind having that car - in pink

Same with the blue and gold Haitian car.

 

Another intresting side thread to this thread...and maybe it's just me, maybe I use a differnt Oar to row my boat then most LOL LOL

Why is there so much concern about a value and the "Keeping up with the (Jone's) Ferrari gang"

I had ton's of Ferrari's before getting rolayly SCREWED over by FNA on a Lemon car. To me it was the best day in my life looking back to that day in 2001.

My eye's were opened to another brand, Lamborghini..and I have been every happy since jumping the "Pay over MSRP"..only wear our "exspensive" cheaply produced Red Jackets, hats, shoes, shorts, coffe mugs, key chains...hell even underwear just to show off to someone what you have...

I am happy for any exotic car owner, I dont care the brand..but I think the less produced and "debate will never end" better Lamborghini's are in their own right, they cant and should not be held toe to toe with Ferrari's...IMO they are a class of thier own ans stand on their own..

I truly believe in my experiance, that MOST all of the inflated "prices" of Ferrai's of the past is just that, inflated, hype done right and not bought for the enjoyment, but bought for the "look what I have" my check book can right more zero's then yours..

SO if that is your main concern when you purchase a car, (toy), if it will add a zero to your check book down the road..DONT buy a car, buy gold or forecloused homes right now..I am sure their return will be greater in the future..PLUS you wont have to worry if some one see's the house you bought is now a different color from new, or wears a different carpet and drapes, has up-dated A/C via Natural gas instead of the "old wood fireplace".

Just a little more food for thought

 

Mick,
I am not sure why you are so defensive about this.
Let me try to present better my perspective to you. I did not accuse anybody of anything in my post. I know Roy a little by having exchanged a few messages in the past.
Roy’s 400S is all over this board with sketchy info and was a great timely illustration of a concern and in the spirit of this thread, I used it. Roy’s info in the other thread and this one could easily be construed as misinformation by outside parties. That does not mean that Roy made false representation. It means it needed to be presented more clearly.
Roy’s is very active on this board and a lot of buyers are looking up to his cars and what he does. He gained significant influence here. He has more of a driver mind set than a collector mindset and sometimes may not see things the way a potential collectors would see them. Collectors are very detailed oriented and don’t like to see things out of place. Gives bad feelings. This thread is catering to collectors as we discuss values as a hope of helping to a healthier market.
Roy sees no harm in having swapped part on his car and that is fine but it may create confusion when others look at his cars of see some in non original liveries. Roy understands that perfectly and cleared it up very nicely. If the thread is to be believable from the outside in we have to be able to express our concerns without getting offended even if the illustration involves a member. That shows this board has maturity and integrity. I see that as a strength of this thread.
Back to values..

 

The Haiti car yes, the pink car definitely no!

 

I do hope your refrence to "sketcy info" is more in the form of, not all know and not all released info, as opposed to a wantful, known and attempted mis-leading description of my car..?