The Enzo successor 920 HP!!!

How do you know that?

 

Out of curiosity if the engine is a 7.3 and 800+hp what would yall guess the torque would be? I think it would be atleast 600lbft.

 

keep in mind that horsepower is proportional to torque*rpm

torque is largely a function of displacement, whereas more hp can be found by devising ways to spin the engine faster (while still maintaining effective airflow, of course).

guess what i'm saying is that i'd expect the torque to be pretty much in line with any motor of comparable displacement.

 

Yes sir I know all that so I guess my question was how close do we think it will be too the hp rating?

 

It is obviously a typo. The engine is the well known 6.3 used in the FXX.

 

The FXX is a 6.0 litre that has no relation to the current 6.3 direct injection found in the FF and the 152 and the next supercar will have a completely new engine said to be 7.0 litres/800 bhp with an additional 150 bhp from the Kers

 

Looks great so far.

Somewhat has a side profile similar to the McLaren F1 in my opinion.

 

Maybe it is just me but I see so many variations in the design and I like it, kinda like a mixed fruit basket.

 

Damn Gregg!!; The price of "Fruit" must be astronomacal in Texas!!!!....I thought you guys had that "cheap labor"?!.....Mark

 

I believe the FXX is 6.3. The Enzo is 6.0.

I think Ferrari has the technology to get a reliable 800 HP from a NA V12. And it will probably be very clean at low rpm. After all they got 660 HP 10 years ago!

 

I would have made a car that could have reach 200mph and that will do. But I would have made sure it lapped race tracks better than anything Ferrari had ever built before that could take two people.

I honestly don't get this top speed deal. Even a F1 car only gets close to it's top speed for about 10% of a lap. It is a very small part of a race or track car and what makes a car great, but all these pointless supercars focus 75% of their energy on it. Very odd, and also it only is the top dog for 5 minutes.

Take the best supercar (wrong term for this awesome car) of all time, the Ford GT40. The original one. It could reach 200mph (depending on state of tune), thus it was fast, but it also won races and was damn fast on a race track AND still is. TopGear did a test against the new Ford GT and the original only just lost.

Does everybody sit around thinking "what a piece of ***** that Ford GT40 is because the Bugatti Veyron is now faster", no we all sit around admiring possibly the best sporting or race car of all automotive time. I could have also used the Ferrari 250GTO, I guess.

That is the sort of car Ferrari should be trying to make. IMO they failed with the F50 and even more with the Enzo/FXX. The F40 was a good attempt but I believe if you asked all petrol heads the GT40 would get more votes, just.

So answering your question, I honestly think a small compact v12 of 3 litres that revved to over 10,000 rpm and made beautiful music. An engine that required the driver to return to working the gear level (or stupid paddles) to get the most of it, instead of relying on lazy mans torque. A car that only the best will get the best from it, not any old rich guy.

Ferrari don't need to worry about the Veyron or any other car like that, they have already have the track/racing market niche, they should concentrate on that and be real not wanky.
Pete

 

Copy that. Time to unseat the ACR as fastest Fiat.

 

Peter, I hate to correct you, but the FF and FXX has the exact same displacement of 6,262CC. Though you are correct, in that the engine in the FXX and FF bare very little similarities. The 599xx has the 6.0 (5998cc) engine. By the way I was very happy to here that number #27 with be getting the EVO package . I would imagine you'll be picking up an F152 in blue?

 

Well, reliable is relative word, I heard about this Enzo engine that failed at Laguna Seca.
Glad to see shes running better and FASTER than ever.

 

As Tool-Fan pointed out, the 6.3 of the FXX is a direct evolution of the 6.0 found in the Enzo. The FF has a heavily reworkded (direct injection, more emphasis on low RPM grunt) and heavily detuned FXX motor. The next Enzo will get that 16.3 but it will be close to the FXX state of tune.

 

With all due respect, these statements express your beliefs but others beg to differ. Many people regard the F50, the Enzo and the FXX as absolute masterpieces. I for one could not care less for a GT40. Just shows the different tastes and motoring beliefs between people with the same passion for cars.

 

how much braking would you have to do to store up 150bhps worth of power?

also with the car rumored to be priced near the 1mill euro mark, how much of a premium will we see?

 

AFAIK an FXX (or 599XX for that matter) come without VIN numbers so therefore can't be registered. They can however have a dealership plate on them that ''allows'' you to drive the thing via certain loopholes. Just fit road legal tires. It's far to complicated for police to really follow up on it.

I think KERS works via a spinning flywheel which charges the battery. As far as I know this isn't being done from the brakes (even though it implies it) but from the crank or gearbox.

I doubt it'll be anywhere near an FXX motor if you compare them side by side. The bottom end will be pretty much the same but top end, intake and exhaust will be completely different. And it'll most likely be direct injection (more fuel efficient).

+1

 

+1
Leave the topspeed race to others. Bugatti said the other day that only a handful have ever taken their veyron to 240mph. That's 5. How many Veyrons are there...around 300? Pretty sad IMO. Spend all this time and money on getting a car to do 253mph yet no one has driven it that fast apart from their test driver. And James May.

+1. Although I doubt it'll be allowed through for emission BS.

An ITB, V12 3 or 4 liter V12 in a ~1000 kg car with a normal 6 speed. That'll be amazing. Quicker than a Mclaren round a track, top speed around 200mph. Dimensionally about the same as the F40/50.

Let the other manufacturers play around saying they've got the biggest top speed and that sort of useless babble, Ferrari need to get their **** together and finally build a car that's properly quick round a track again.

 

The 288 is beauty personified, the F40 is a race car for the roads and also looks spectacular, the F50 is an extension on the race car for the roads idea, F1 engine/carbon monocoque, but imo lost it regarding looks. The Enzo, for me, is a techno spaceship. Unfortunately I think Ferrari will continue this trend will the ‘F70’.

Ferrari will sell all 399 (or whatever) they decided to ‘initially’ ;o) make, whatever the car is, but they are pandering to what they think is wanted in China, Russia and other new markets also. Bigger, Faster, ‘Better?’- they have the 918 and new Big Macca to contend with. ‘F70’ will be only a few steps away from a tie fighter, although I doubt it will fly.

Hopefully I’m totally wrong and Ferrari take it upon themselves to change the direction of ultimate hyper car development (millichilli?)- Ferrari know lighter weight means better handling, smaller brakes needed, less wear and tear and a gazillion other pluses, but lighter weight costs $$$ and are the crowd ‘that’ bothered? I don’t think they are at all. They are playing to the crowd.

 

I too think that it will be direct injected so the cylinder heads will be different but other than that I don't see any structural changes since they are both mid engined. The FF on the other hand has more changes and so will the F152.

 

Good point! I'll blame the prior owner for that.

 

People will remember the Veyron forever for its top speed. If it stopped at 200 it probably wouldn't seem that special.

Personally, I enjoy exceeding 200 in the Enzo during the occasional runway event. It would be even more thrilling to safely exceed 250! People expect Ferraris to do that.

Here's what the 2003 Enzo sales brochure says...

"When it developed the Enzo, Ferrari set itself two pure performance targets which would represent a milestone for ultra-fast cars:

1. To increase the grip limit in medium-fast bends (by increasing negative lift);
2. To maintain a very high top speed (over 350 km/h).

The question of aerodynamics had to be approached in an innovative way to tackle this complex objective, because the two requirements are in conflict."

Ferrari then describes, using 3 brochure pages, how this was done. It's probably the most facinating read in the entire brochure! Something would be lost if Ferrari decided to ignore this entire subject.

The brochure adds..

"The stylistic theme developed by Pininfarina was to design a car without compromises, which broke away from the approach used for the GTO, F40 and F50 that preceded it, to develop a new formal language that looked to the future."

 

No, the next Enzo will not be getting the FXX engine. It will be getting a larger displacement all new V12 which will be NA.

 

so how big it will be? 6.5? it's hard to believe about 7.3 but math say it's possible: 4,7 from F50 plus 1,3 it's give 6,0 from Enzo, plus again 1,3 gives 7,3