They are released in pairs ("same generation")... 456/550, 612/599, FF/F12... So that's what makes most sense to me at least. And for the next generation 4-seater and GT in 5-6 years we can again establish a new section again... That's just my opinion, h2oskiers suggestion also makes sense.
I think there is some bias here against the FF. When the 458 came out, it was not grouped with the 360 and F430. It had it's own space because the car was a lot different technically, even though it was made for the same type of customer and category. The F12 and FF are closely related -- much more closely related than to the 599. Yet, people want to disassociate the F12 from the FF by "category" or market segment. Honestly, that makes no sense. They share a lot of parts. I'm sure that some technical issues that happen on the FF will also happen on the F12. To divide similar cars into different groups means that people will have to intentionally cross search for information. It's likely that common problems and concerns would be missed. Cars of similar platforms should go together IMO. That means the F12 and FF should be in the same main section. That's where Fchat members will get the best usage of the shared information of others. Isn't that the purpose?
I've not read enough I guess on the F12 to know this. I was under the impression the F12 was the 599 replacement. I then assumed it to be based closely on the same platform with a bigger engine. I grouped them 2+2 or 2 seats because I felt it was a better connection. If they are truly more closely related FF and F12 I guess that makes more sense.
Since the the different models are put in the same section with their replacements : 340/ 355 and 360/430 it will only make sense to combine 599 with F12 in one section and 612/FF in another section.
The fact that the 458 has it's own section perhaps the F12 should have it's own... I can already see any 599 information being quickly dwarfed by F12 excitement. I almost don't even want to post any update of my "new" 599 because no one will care!
Lots of great points so far.. I think the F12 should have it's own subforum to respect exactly that scenario.. then the whole F12 "thing" can grow from first pics, test reviews, first deliveries etc.. all on it's own without "spoiling" the 599 great stories as it enters "retirement" and whole new phase of it's own. As to the rest of the split.. too hard to pick but probably FF and 612 together if you must, separate ideally though as are different markets and platforms.. might be time for f-chat size to swing it's weight and split the modern vehicles up some.
Well, the 360/F430 section gets about 3 times as many new threads as the 458. The reason is there are so of those models out there compared to the 458. I wonder if the same would be for F12 models. The 599 has been around 5 years and the F12 won't be here for another year. After all the hoopla dies down about the new car, I doubt many will post about it for a while. After all, the FF doesn't get a lot of new threads either. Putting them together might generate more interest and questions in both.
Well, technology wise the 355 probably shares more with the 360 than the 348 (5 valve engine, f1 trans, adaptive suspension etc.), and the 430 more with the 458 (maser based v8 engine and active diff), but they're organized by platform. I think the 599/f12 and 612/FF make more sense due to the market segments and similar owner preferences much like the v8 platforms are organized...
I think we need a 4th option for the voting where the FF and F12 have stand-alone sections. The F12 should definitely not be rolled into the 599 section or 599 owners will be drowned with F12 threads.
I think it must be 599/612 and FF/F12. Forget market segments or number of seats, it's a forum based on information that certain cars share with each other. Possible example: A 599 owner won't be able to say he's experiencing similar transmission problems with an F12 owner. Maybe it's just me, but that's the way I'd do it.
No, sorry. The 355 has a lot more in common with the 348 than the 360. I could make the same claim of the 360 and F430 and no one complains they should be separated. In fact, it's good they are together as similar situations and comparisons always occur between them, as do the 348 and 355.
Exactly. If someone has a manetino problem on the FF, it could have happened in a F12 but never a 612 because they don't use similar hardware. The same goes for the suspension, the latest CCB brakes, the transmission. All are very closely related to one another in the FF and F12. If someone had a question on how to work the radio, both the FF and F12 are the same. It only makes sense go group similar technology and systems together to get the best and most complete information to the owners and potential owners in one commonly viewed area.
I already voted for the 599 & f12/612 & FF but have subsequently been swayed. I can't change my vote however.
Thank God someone else is with me on this! I was starting to feel unsure as to why I thought my reasoning was correct. So I took a step back and realized everyone else was just wrong
I agree. It has worked fantastic like this for years. Why does Rob all of the sudden need to restructure his entire website because people hate on the ff. I feel this is really more about people wanting their favorite cars grouped together than anything else.
The reason the 458 and the California were placed in their own forum is because they do not share a chassis with any other model. When a updated 458 is released it will share the 458 forum, same with California.
FF/F12 Sub section, just like the 599/612 section. They share the same engine and platform along with many other specific parts as well a generational grouping. Just like the 456/550/575 section.
