That's a great look, brother, no doubt about it. And from what I hear/read, it performs to match it, not just in a straight line. I think I said in this thread that one could easily have both in the garage. They're that different. Speed is just about the only thing they have in common. Thanks for the pic. It's gorgeous in an understated color. It actually makes it look more predatory. ;-) Forza, Cavallini
the aventador is a great looking car, and more visually exciting than the f12 by a long shot. BUT, i am sure the f12 will run seconds faster than the aventador on any race circuit, and that is its focus - performance.
Let's face it, the vast majority of owners will never track these cars or do 0-60 timed runs in them, so trying to decide between them on the basis of performance is pointless. They both have more performance than anyone would safely use on the public road. We also need to accept that these cars are direct competitors and are not appealing to completely different customer segments- there is overlap. Having poured over both cars in the metal at Geneva my conclusion is that they are both great looking cars but side by side the Lambo wins every time. It is so much more dramatic. However, could I use it as a daily driver? No way. It's far too compromised in a way that the F12 is not. So there you have it. F12 for more regular use and for those that don't need to seek to be the center of attention on every drive. Aventador for weekend over the top fun. All IMHO of course!
Congratulations on great addition to a great collection! Honestly as others have said the two cars are so different the only common fact is they both have V12's. Neither is a "bad" car.
go to a track day at mugelo or imola this summer, and you will see an f12 there hitting apexes and red lines. there will be gallardos, but no aventadors. i can almost guarantee it.
There it is.....although perhaps the word is "mistress". But with a wife like a F12 I'm not sure you'd want the mistress for much. haha Forza, Cavallini
The Aventador successfully continues Lambo's tradition of being more dramatic, no question. I'm not sure that means it's a more appealing, attractive design. As a design achievement, from an artists perspective, the F12 is more difficult and thus more of an achievement. I've been saying this about the last several Ferraris vis a vis other models. Ferrari fuse straight lines, planes and curves in a way other makes rarely attempt. The few that have ended up with words like Bangled attached to them. The Aventador, along with all the current MBs, use straight lines and edges to create the look that is interpreted by the eye as "aggressive", sleek, etc. Ferrari, OTOH, has always integrated straight edges with curves to create a design that is at once sleek and aggressive but also alluring and smooth. Since the 360, they have been designing in 3D by using edges and curves to create a full, 360 degree integration of curve and straight line over ever surface of the car. One need only compare a 360 and 355 side by side to see this. They seem to be doing with cars and automotive design what Louis Sullivan did with his buildings and ornamentation- uniting the male and female elements of design, straight line and curve. Artistically, this is a considerable achievement, especially when the only make that has arguably duplicated it is Henrik Fisker's stunning deisgners for his hybrid cars. In saying this I don't mean there aren't other beautiful designs. Astons are still very pleasing, as are the latest Jaguars and the BMW 3 and 5 series are very handsome, as is the latest 911. Even the Benz's now have some character and design identity with this sharper, edgier line. But other than Fisker, I haven't seen anyone attempt and succeed at what Ferrari has done of late. More drama does not automatically mean better. Forza, Cavallini
Cavallini, I would like to thank you for your well worded post. I feel Ferrari's styling efforts and goals being so much greater than anyone else that it leads them to new ground. I applaud them for not sitting back and mindlessly regurgitating the "Classics". There is no artistry in that.
Sorry, but i don't see the point of comparing two totally different cars. Like someone mentioned, the Enzo replacement should be compared to the Aventador. Here, the F12 is a solid GT car, whereas the Lambo is a mean looking machine!
The Enzo replacement will be a 1.5 million Euros, limited run hypercar with 900+ horses and outwordly performance. Way above the Aventador's league. The F12 is a valid Aventador competitor. Similar price range and performance.
Seriously? The Aventador is a top of the line exotic. Not a supercar. It and the car it replaced are far too "common" to be considered supercars. In today's dollars a car must be at least $600k base to even be considered a "supercar". Its production numbers must be limited to a set number for the entire model run, with a little wiggle room. The Aventador is a "mass produced" (I use that term lightly) exotic that has supercar looks. The F12 is a top of the line exotic that doesn't have the supercar look. It has the evolved exotic Italian sports car look. Performance wise they seem to be equal IMO. Then again, I'm only basing this off of specs and what I've read/heard. Lamborghini does not currently make a supercar, therefore there is no model to be compared to the Enzo replacement. The Enzo replacement will be compared to Pagani, Koenigsegg, the new SSC car, etc. True supercars. The new SV will not qualify because it is based on a lesser model.
Reventon is a lambo supercar. 20 made. 1.1million Euro price tag. 0-62 in 3.3 and 205+ mph top speed. But I agree, we can't compare apples to oranges here. Both are amazing cars; both are for different types of drivers.
Thanks. I'm honestly surprised more isn't written about Ferrari's unrelenting and thoroughly successful design creativity. No other make has even flirted with their level of originality while still being true to their lineage and tradition. Porsche is clearly the worst, with Aston somehow deciding to follow that trail. I guess Bez's Porsche habits are hard to break. Lambo has at least been eye-catching. I actually forgot Pagani as another example of impressive and original design but his small volume and price points might disqualify his cars from this sort of discussion. Nevertheless, Ferrari and their designers have done this model after model for the better part of 50 years, with almost every model being timelessly attractive. This is no small feat.
I disagree, while porsches product range design is a bit similat, their super cars are amasing and inovative designs, the carrera gt and 918 are very well designed
I think its pretty funny also. Remember the F12 is going to get compared to everything because Ferraris are the bench mark. I find Lambo the funniest of the group. The only real head to head is the 458 vs the gallardo. I think its funny when Ferrari makes a car like the F40, Enzo or the Enzo's successor Lamborghini folks go running and say the cars shouldn't be compared to each other because of limited production. Yet when Lambo produces something like the J concept or the the Reventon it gets compared to Ferrari's latest GT. Its just like with Lamborghini track times vs Ferrari tack times. We all know Lambo is using AWD yet everyone just accepts the track times vs each other and nobody complains. The Aventador is the PINNACLE of what Lamborghini can do in terms of performance and exotic styling. Why shouldn't it be compared head to head with the Enzo's successor? It will be the pinnacle of what Ferrari can do in terms of performance and exotic race car styling? So what if Ferrari makes just 400, its their decision not to produce 400 a year for several years. Lambo fans should stop complaining.
No thats where you are wrong. Stop hiding behind price and production numbers. Montezemolo clearly said back in 1995 that Ferrari's philosophy is totally different than Lamborghini's on what a super exotic should be. If you're going to make a super exotic throw the gauntlet down and make one uncompromising on price, wild styling, incredible performance but keep the production #s limited so they are hard to see and hard to find. Ferrari simply trumps Lambo at its own game. I'd take an Enzo over an Aventador any day of the week every single time. I'd take an F50 over the Diablo and its absolutely no comparsion when comparing the F40 vs the Countach that match up is a complete joke.
One more thought on the whole comparison this vs that debate. Lamborghini should grow some balls and produce a front engine GT.
