accepting offers...

Cripes Joe, couldn't just take it for what it was? I'd say Roy's post DOES thicken things a bit, and now I wish I could rescind my PM to you. I've got to say, the way you come off as the "all knowing of Lamborghini and this forum" is repugnant at times. As such, you ought to know the "danger" that comes along with an open forum and the opinions it brings. So Mr. Know It All, where exactly was my post for which you found the need to chastise me as a school boy in the way you did just a few posts ago about "speculating, assuming, or jumping to conclusions"? As I said, I refrained significantly, but I'm not that long in the tooth on this particular forum, and I'm utterly disgusted at the amount of lips attached to your butt. Maybe you do need a couple more to bring you down from such a high horse?

 

Roy. You know, if you hadn't cut me out of this deal and used someone else to pretend like it wasn't you, things might be different..

Yes, I'm a businessman, as are you. If I discover historical material above & beyond a normal owner's manual or service receipts, that material is proprietary. What makes you think I would not re-unite this car with interesting material if I could? My record proves that's exactly what I do. Why do you assume I wouldn't? I have offered to help. You say no thanks. What more do you want of me?

How about you pick up your phone and call me and discuss this? You are fond of quoting your parents so I'm sure they told you: "You can get a lot more with niceness than harshness".

 

"I will no longer hold a possible misrep against JS until I know more. A mountain of knowledge, he is, and I certainly appreciate that!"

There sure are a lot of contradictory comments being made. Now suddenly I'm a know-it-all. What is this? A love-hate thing? Sounds like a Dr Jekyll & Mr Hyde syndrome.

I was simply suggesting that speculation wasn't productive. I didn't mean to chastise you, so if you thought I was chastising you I apologize! You are making far more about this than your stake in the matter warrants, but I understand if you wish to.

 

I like how Joe snuck in the line " Im really trying to help you, but all of my noteworthy, extremely knowledgeable Countach buyers " arent offering more than 190-200k for your car.. What a friend! lol

 

True! What has friendship to do with this? I would love to make a deal. That's what I do in this business, and any other notion is entirely a mistake.

I should add, there is a lot of Countach talk. But precious few deals actually happening. I would love to change that. That's why I think prices have to be sensible.

 

Well let me see, Roy is here to make money just as you are.. You are well respected, as is he.. What if there was someone here contemplating putting in a higher offer until they read your public post of the car not warranting more than 200k by other knowledgeable individuals.... I mean this was obviously your intent by making a post like that public rather than private..

Personally Id never buy a car from you..

 

Actually anyone could have just looked here for the same info: http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=141326695&postcount=575

Seems Joe is bringing what he believes to be top dollar for a car and roy has a different number in his mind. Simple difference of opinion. The only one that matters is from the guy that buys the car.

 

Yes, though he seemed to reevaluate his numbers just in time..

That being said, I dont agree with some of the rediculous numbers thrown around for some of these cars. Owners wishing for the moon and sky amd buyers showing thats not the case.. Roys car is a special car, one that will take a special buyer. But the true selling prices of many of these cars are quite abit less than whats tossed around..

 

My numbers were not much different well over a month ago.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/showpost.php?p=141221810&postcount=17

If anything I adjusted slightly UPWARDS today in FAVOR of the thinking of Roy & others.

 

Firstly, the offers Ive gotten are on the high end of what Ive publicly stated be fair market right now, a number Ive increased slightly, so that can hardly be being unfair.
http://www.ferrarichat.com/forum/sho...&postcount=575

Secondly - Roy & I HAVE exchanged private communications within the last few weeks and days, and the numbers I have discussed with him are the SAME. In response to him sending me an e-mail telling me what he would let the cars go for, I was straightforward & candid with him in private.

Thirdly, on Monday Roy told me privately he had offered $160k for the red/tan QV DD which wants well over $200k.

Fourthly, I don't see the cars selling at advertised ask. Perhaps that says something?

Fifth, I think you simply are not being open-minded to the fact that you (as others) are NOT party to all that goes on.

Sixth, if you wish to buy Countachs at numbers that are over the odds, please dont let me stop you. You say: "I dont agree with some of the rediculous numbers thrown around for some of these cars". Sounds like we are on the same side and I'm trying to facilitate your interests and the interests of many who contact me. What are you complaining about? Sounds like a major contradiction.

Lastly, you don't have to work with me.

 

Why isnt this car advertised on LAMBORGHINI talk .com?

 

Stop whining Roy. Too much talk. Not enough Countach sales.

I offered to help. Ive invited a private discussion anytime. You declined the former. I haven't seen you take me up on the latter.

Stop assuming (like everyone else). You have no clue what I have, or when I got it. Its part of my job. Contact Marcel Massini [email protected]. and ask what he charges for locating historical documentation, period images etc which he then sells to owners who are grateful for the opportunity to acquire. Its a business! In my case I give it away as a facilitation with deals I'm involved in. To loyal customers! Never had a single sale where the client wasn't happy with the documentation he received. Not one.

FWIW, Ive been straightforward with the numbers offered both privately & publicly, which where 195k & 200k (not 190k) in case anyone actually reads anything.

You've got my phone number.

 

I am not sure where this discussions goes. Joe says he could sell the car for up to $200K give or take.
Roy says he wants $237K give or take and that is it.
Why argue about this ? If anyone or you are interested in the car just line up the $237K if you judge it worth it and you'll have one of the top DD in the US and the $40K would be the premium you pay for it.
If I wanted this car as a buyer to be in the game for a top DD, I would care less of what Joe's amount is. I'll buy the darn car... Joe only explains facts he has got. Remember so many here say "if you have to ask the price you cant afford it..."
Right now the offer targets these buyers.

 

Ok, so a set of Countach tires is now 3K?
Is that the going rate these days? Even with the new batch from Pirelli?
And 2K for dressing rims?
This car had no needs as per previous postings. I like to believe then that tires were good/not outdated and alloys were ok.

 

Wholesale when they were available around $680 each rear and fronts were much less. Or around $2000.
$3000 is quite the number. I guess some take advantage of the non availability where I would have help and not make tough on owners. But that just me

When they become avaible through my supplier I will concsider buying a few sets and offer reasonable price.

 

Good grief.

 

Give me a break, Joe. Since you seem to like lists:

1. You will see that my statement you quoted was the FIRST thing I said publicly about any of this, and it used terms like "possible", as I knew I didn't have all information. You also needed to read far between the lines to even know what I was speaking of. All you heard was "Joe" and "misrep".

2. There is no love/hate. There have been numerous things that have seemed very odd about your posts, and it seems like you were a lawyer in a former career, as you seem to make an argument in order to have your cake and eat it too. I have long held out for you prove that you are not some typical salesman BSer, but it is now at the point where you have simply torqued me to a point where I don't need to toe a fine line.

3. I can tell you what to do with your "suggestion". Human nature and life are about speculation, even when you think you have all of the information, something always comes up that challenges your assumptions. You seem to act as though you are above all human nature as some sort of super-being, and some have bought in to that garbage. Reality flash, you are human. This really shines through in your need to speak to us all as though we are idiot children, filling a need for a vitality issue, I suppose....oh, there I go making assumptions again. And besides, what is the Countach value thread if not SPECULATION, even based on firm and knowledgeable opinion? Firm and knowledgeable opinion drove a housing bubble, stock bubble, exotic car bubble, tulip bulb bubble as people took the word of people in the "financial services industry" and others as gospel, and speculated based on such. You made a statement that if you learned anything, it's that markets set themselves. Well, yes, and no. Markets have always been, and will be, manipulatable, therefore, manipulated. Even if it only takes a word from a market "guru", and as such a can shape the market, in a way that Brad either intentionally, or inadvertently, pointed out. Either you are too blind to see this, or too canny to point it out. I'm not sure which.

4. You continue to be more or less telling people to "butt out" of matters they are not intimately involved in. You continue telling Roy to call you, but by God A PHONE WORKS 2 WAYS!! If you're so concerned about people in your "business" GET IT OFF THE BOARDS if you don't want it open for comment.

 

+1; my recommendation to Rob: http://ferrarichat.com/forum/showthread.php?p=141328819#post141328819

 

Fair points, well taken.

 

I think its pretty interesting.. I start to like Roy more and more after showing the invoice and a couple other interesting posts, looks like a true enthousiast and a guy who stands for what he says.

 

You are right in your skepticism, I have nothing to offer, lets leave it at that. This thread was to accept offers to sell your car. Lets focus on that. If I know of an interested party I will send them your way regardless. Good luck with the sale.

 

Yes, Roy and me determined that the tires were old, cracked and dry rotted, not safe for the road.

We located a few sets of tires at a dealer in Italy and had them shipped over, after paying a higher price for the tires (as nobody else had complete sets), shipping costs, customs broker fees, customs import taxes, it raises the costs. We do have to make a little money or we cannot pay our employees or our bills. We charged Roy 2800.00 for the set.
Most businesses do not stock up on slow moving specialty tires because they can get too old to sell while on the shelf and have to be discarded. Also keep in mind that anyone that buys tires and then resells them as new to another individual could be first in line as far as liability if there was a problem with a tire. Attorneys always go after the last person that touched the product. Also, the end user could lose his right to any warranty claims as the tires could then be considered purchased used and the full liability could lay solely on the person that sold them to him. There would be questions as to the age of the tires, how they were handled and stored in the sellers basement and were they installed properly. Things are a lot different when you are dealing with tire issues, I am not a tire expert but being in business for 35 years, I have done consulting regarding lawsuits involving tire failures. George Evans